Boy-racers

[FROSTY:Me]

I've been saying for years that car licences need to be stepped like bike licences.
A learner driver sure as heck shouldn't be able to drive a twin turbo rice rocket or a big V8 . To me it's a recipie for disaster.
It'd be easy to police.-Learner licence holders can only drive under 1500cc non turbo cars cars -That being based on true capacity of the car.
Might just save a few lives

[Jackrat]

I've been saying for years that car licences need to be stepped like bike licences.
A learner driver sure as heck shouldn't be able to drive a twin turbo rice rocket or a big V8 . To me it's a recipie for disaster.
It'd be easy to police.-Learner licence holders can only drive under 1500cc non turbo cars cars -That being based on true capacity of the car.
Might just save a few lives

That might work but then If you had seen the stuff I got up to in My old 100E
Prefect you may think otherwise to,Have ya' ever had an Austin 8 on two wheels.
That was fun til it went wrong.

[moko]

Fairly new thing in the U.k. is that for less serious but still endorsable offences you get a choice.You either take the fine and get points on your licence(similar to your demerits,drivers with less than 2 years experience get less points allowed before they`re banned)or you get to go on a safety education course and keep a clean licence.These aren`t a soft option,they take 3 days and the offender pays £180 (about $500).If you dont turn up or the trainer thinks you`re not paying attention,taking the piss or similar then you go to court anyway.A mate of mine did one and loved it,said he learned loads and had some driving habits pointed out that he hadn`t realised he was doing.Why would anyone pay 3 times the fine?Well we have compulsory insurance,it`s bloody expensive and if you get convictions it can go through the roof,my insurance,nearly 30 years riding experience,no claims in 20-odd years for an old fart on a 600 Fazer is $700,40 year-old mate of mine on a 900 Hornet pays 3 times that,and as a newish rider that`s considered a really good deal.

[Two Smoker]

I've been saying for years that car licences need to be stepped like bike licences.
A learner driver sure as heck shouldn't be able to drive a twin turbo rice rocket or a big V8 . To me it's a recipie for disaster.
It'd be easy to police.-Learner licence holders can only drive under 1500cc non turbo cars cars -That being based on true capacity of the car.
Might just save a few lives

While i agree with the principle, it is hard to start it, ie alot of people's cars are around the 2-3 litre size, expecially since the majority of learner drivers will be using their parents cars with their parents in the car with them, i definately think that turbos need to be restricted, i mean my mate has a 1.3 litre Dihatsu Charade, which is turboed and does 12 second 1/4s.... i think the Licence Restrictions need to be based on whether it is a turbo or not, and whether it has a engine above 3 litres......

Although i just read that the Peugeot 206 GTi 180 does 0-100 in the 6 second bracket....So it becomes even harder to police......

[magnum]

just my opinion but boys will be boys,you will never stop boy racers.the powers that be need to encourage these kids to do these things in a controlled enviroment ie drags or disused parking lots.also education of what can happen ie showing kids the wrecks from when things went wrong also teaching then how to control skids in the wet etc.i purposely will not ride fast in town as you get a bad name,theres no need to and to many things can go wrong.the open road is a different story but is a lot safer.

[DEATH_INC.]

Hmmm,maybe they should be left aalone when in deserted industrial areas at night rather than being chased out onto residential streets......

[Two Smoker]

Completely Agree Steve but i can also see the logic of what Death Inc is saying to, they arent really doing any harm in the industrial area (excluding desiel and ripping up the tarseal from long burnouts) But there definately needs to be a drag strip in auckland. If some rich business man bought a strip of land out in the mangere area and built a drag strip/skid pan...... and charged the huge amount of boy racers out there a small fee , i think the sound of "cha-ching" would be flowing....

[spudchucka]

Plenty of "boy racer" groups have petitioned local bodies and businesses for funding to set up facilities to do their skids, drags etc. Generally they aren't interested in getting involved. The main reasons being that these groups don't want to be seen to support "boy racer" behaviour and the safety / OSH complications. If someone bins it and kills or injures themselves or their mates then the group that runs the facility could be held liable, (especially if it is operating as a business). The cost of running such a thing would skyrocket as they would have to supply untold marshalls to protect the idiots from their own stupidity.

[Kickaha]

Completely Agree Steve but i can also see the logic of what Death Inc is saying to, they arent really doing any harm in the industrial area (excluding desiel and ripping up the tarseal from long burnouts) But there definately needs to be a drag strip in auckland. If some rich business man bought a strip of land out in the mangere area and built a drag strip/skid pan...... and charged the huge amount of boy racers out there a small fee , i think the sound of "cha-ching" would be flowing....

It won't make any difference,half the attraction is doing something illegal.

Christchurch has a dragstip on its outskirts and still has the same problems,they put in a burnout pad to give them a place to go and organised days and times,hasn't made any difference.

[wkid_one]

Completely Agree Steve but i can also see the logic of what Death Inc is saying to, they arent really doing any harm in the industrial area (excluding desiel and ripping up the tarseal from long burnouts) But there definately needs to be a drag strip in auckland. If some rich business man bought a strip of land out in the mangere area and built a drag strip/skid pan...... and charged the huge amount of boy racers out there a small fee , i think the sound of "cha-ching" would be flowing....

I think this would be a gr8 money making scheme myself. The only problem is the OSH and ACC issues that you face by running a strip - presumably - you could just have them all sign a waiver that it is at their risk and cost and be done with it.

[Jackrat]

We've always had drag strips open to the public.
Mere mere is doing this type of thing now,and it has no effect on the few who simply don't give a damn.It will always be these few that stuff it for the majority.I personaly think recidivist offenders should be banned from driving or riding for life.Three strikes and your out.There is a thing called public transport and those that can't follow the rules should be confined to it.If that cramps a few styles,big deal.Maybe after a few years they could be given another chance and if they still cock it up,Stuff em' end of game.
The courts should have no say in the matter,on the third conviction the sentence is automatic with no grounds for appeal.The real problems on our roads could be solved eazy as but we need polly's with balls to make it happen.That being said, it will never happen.
Fire away!!!

[spudchucka]

We've always had drag strips open to the public.
Mere mere is doing this type of thing now,and it has no effect on the few who simply don't give a damn.It will always be these few that stuff it for the majority.I personaly think recidivist offenders should be banned from driving or riding for life.Three strikes and your out.There is a thing called public transport and those that can't follow the rules should be confined to it.If that cramps a few styles,big deal.Maybe after a few years they could be given another chance and if they still cock it up,Stuff em' end of game.
The courts should have no say in the matter,on the third conviction the sentence is automatic with no grounds for appeal.The real problems on our roads could be solved eazy as but we need polly's with balls to make it happen.That being said, it will never happen.
Fire away!!!

Recidivists do get "indefinate" disqualifications now but after five years or so they go along and say what good boys they have been and take in their driver training certificate. Then they are presumed to have been rehabilitated and they are given a licence again. Then they just start over again and get disqualified for the same crap that got them in the shit in the first place.

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah, let's do away with the courts. After all, if you're not guilty this time, you would been guilty some other time.
Lou

[Jackrat]

Yeah, let's do away with the courts. After all, if you're not guilty this time, you would been guilty some other time.
Lou

Set sentences for recidivit offenders I would fully support but doing away with the court system is plan stupid.Being fully aware of your chip on the shoulder I can't say I'm suprised to hear such a stupid comment.

[DEATH_INC.]

Yeah,meremere is there,miles from auckland and only friday night,not to mention the southern is usually heavily patrolled to coincide,but the main prob is most of these guys couldn't/wouldn't get through scrutineering......
I still maintain if you leave them alone in some out of the way place it'll save a lot of greif for the locals along te-irirangi ect and save the cops a lot of hassles/money.There always has been and always will be 'boy racers',a bit of common sense needs to be excercised and it won't be any more of a problem than it's been for the last 50 or so years....