Petition for removal of L plate and 70km/hr limit????

[Wolf]

If anyone is interested, Joachim was caught

But was probably only given a 2-year sentence by an even more retarded Judge...

After all, he was very cooperative...

What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50?

"Your Honour."

[DingDong]

You dont have my support Bob... L plates let me know who to watch out for... If anyone chooses not to use an L plate thats their choice.

dont hate

[TLDV8]

There is one major difference between then and now,someone remind me what the Open Road speed limit was until the 1980's ?

I guess this is just another BS thread considering the 120 people who voted for removing the speed restriction?........The 70 kmh restriction was set when the open road speed limit was 80 kmh so is out of date for the modern limit of 100kmh....... How about instead of the usual bleating,something is actually done to bring that to the attention of the LTSA etc. ???..... You can whine and sit on your hands,or you can atleast make an effort.No wonder this country is going the way it is.

I think the 70km/hr and L plate rule should be removed 43 21.61%
I think the 70km/hr rule should be removed 120 60.30%
I think the L plate fule should be removed 4 2.01%
I think the rules are fine as it is, now shut up and put up with it!!! 32 16.08%
Voters: 199.

[SwanTiger]

I guess this is just another BS thread considering the 120 people who voted for removing the speed restriction?........The 70 kmh restriction was set when the open road speed limit was 80 kmh so is out of date for the modern limit of 100kmh....... How about instead of the usual bleating,something is actually done to bring that to the attention of the LTSA etc. ???

Indeed.

As I mentioned in the Newbie Ride thread, I think that the speed restriction shouldn't be removed however it should be updated. 80 kmp/h or 90 kmp/h would be very reasonable considering most people will then exceed that by a further 9 kmp/h to fall within the tolerence limit.

80 kmp/h limit would be suitable, then people would hover around 90 kmp/h which is the average speed for most vehicles on the open road anyhow.

[TLDV8]

Indeed.

As I mentioned in the Newbie Ride thread, I think that the speed restriction shouldn't be removed however it should be updated. 80 kmp/h or 90 kmp/h would be very reasonable considering most people will then exceed that by a further 9 kmp/h to fall within the tolerence limit.

80 kmp/h limit would be suitable, then people would hover around 90 kmp/h which is the average speed for most vehicles on the open road anyhow.

Exactly,and the older members should have been onto the 10 kmh difference straight away..... Newbie's have the choice to stay away from the open road until they gain confidence.When they do elect to do so,being limited to a 30 kmh speed differential is asking for trouble if not creating a reason to not concentrate (Having to check your mirrors to avoid being run over from behind)......... I rode MX solid for a year before riding on the road so it was a fairly easy change over,either way if safety really is top of the list,the out of date speed restriction does not help...... imho

[Fub@r]

I voted to remove the 70kph rule, if there was an option to increase the limit I would've voted for that. They will never remove the rule at best they will increase it

[ZeroIndex]

I'm finished with my 'L' plate, and my plastic restricted licence arrived in the mail today.. um.. I never had a problem with no L plate or doing 100km (except on my Kinetic, which was a feat to get to 100km ), but yeah, either obey it or don't.. it's the government.. and they don't change their mind often, unless it's to make more money for themselves..

[WarlockNZ]

I guess this is just another BS thread considering the 120 people who voted for removing the speed restriction?........The 70 kmh restriction was set when the open road speed limit was 80 kmh so is out of date for the modern limit of 100kmh....... How about instead of the usual bleating,something is actually done to bring that to the attention of the LTSA etc. ???..... You can whine and sit on your hands,or you can atleast make an effort.No wonder this country is going the way it is.

Oh Hello!! ... i'm putting a petition together, hows that for doing something about it. if you want to sign it, PM me and i'll send you the form.

[judecatmad]

The idea behind the rule is to make others aware of learners and the speed is to allow the learner to come to terms with riding a bike etc.

The thing I think we petition about is if bike have a cc restriction cars should too!

The thing about the 70kph rule is it forces a learner break the law to try and stay safe (ie. do 100kph). However, if they remove the 70kph rule from learners, it doesn't mean that you then HAVE to do 100kph if you're not comfortable....do whatever jolly speed you like to make sure you're safe (most people would say that going with the flow of traffic is 'safe' but if you're not comfortable with that then use common sense. If you're not comfortable at 100kph then you probably should be avoiding those roads until you are anyway. And that's not a legislation thing, that's a use-your-noggin thing). The speed limit is just that, it's an upper limit. So I do agree with the removal of the 70kph restriction for L-plate riders.

As discussed in another thread, the rule is actually in place to try and stop learners using motorways, without actually saying those words. And that's a totally different discussion (mostly around those in power not having enough balls....!).

Having to display an L-plate I totally agree with and I also agree with the restrictions on riding times - most learners have no concept of just how alert you need to be on a bike, and fatigue is most likely to kick in late night-very early morning.

The suggestion of a limit to cc rating for car learners? Totally with you on that one

[Fub@r]

As discussed in another thread, the rule is actually in place to try and stop learners using motorways,

But as someone pointed out earlier the 70kph rule was set when the motorway and open road speed was 80kph

[Skyryder]

"A lot of smaller bikes I've noticed have pissy narrow tyres that slide in the dry let alone the wet, small wheels that are thrown out of whack mounting the layer of paint on the road markings let alone a pot hole and the brakes are an afterthought."

I Cant agree with you more! my rg's rear tire was only about 25mm wider than my push bikes
That caused most of my 'oh bugger' moments just down changing before roundabouts stop signs ect, would fish tail like a mofo if you tenced up.

Wolf has raised a great point maybe learners bikes need to have super wide tires? would this help? No. (Skyryder)

Got to make you wonder are some of these laws causing more crashes than they are intending to avoid.

Just some of the reasons why you should learn on the bike you want to ride.

Skyryder

[Beemer]

Exactly,and the older members should have been onto the 10 kmh difference straight away..... Newbie's have the choice to stay away from the open road until they gain confidence.When they do elect to do so, being limited to a 30 kmh speed differential is asking for trouble if not creating a reason to not concentrate (Having to check your mirrors to avoid being run over from behind)......... I rode MX solid for a year before riding on the road so it was a fairly easy change over,either way if safety really is top of the list,the out of date speed restriction does not help...... imho

I don't agree with you there because depending on where said newbies live, they often don't have much choice about staying away from the open road if this is their only form of transport. I learned to ride in Lower Hutt so if I wanted to get to Upper Hutt, Porirua or Wellington, there was no way to do so without getting into 100kph zones. I was working in Johnsonville at the time so had to go along the Hutt motorway to get there, or go over Haywards. Even just going to Upper Hutt involved 100kph roads - you can get to Stokes Valley along the back roads but then (it may have been reduced to 80 by now, so many roads have been) it was 100kph to Silverstream. Riding along in the left lane at 70kph with a large truck up my jacksy was NOT an option!

And I'd be happy to sign a petition about the speed limit change, but I'm not sure about removing L-plates. It's more a case of making the rules consistent with all learners, whether they are in cars or on bikes.

[WarlockNZ]

I don't agree with you there because depending on where said newbies live, they often don't have much choice about staying away from the open road if this is their only form of transport. I learned to ride in Lower Hutt so if I wanted to get to Upper Hutt, Porirua or Wellington, there was no way to do so without getting into 100kph zones. I was working in Johnsonville at the time so had to go along the Hutt motorway to get there, or go over Haywards. Even just going to Upper Hutt involved 100kph roads - you can get to Stokes Valley along the back roads but then (it may have been reduced to 80 by now, so many roads have been) it was 100kph to Silverstream. Riding along in the left lane at 70kph with a large truck up my jacksy was NOT an option!

And I'd be happy to sign a petition about the speed limit change, but I'm not sure about removing L-plates. It's more a case of making the rules consistent with all learners, whether they are in cars or on bikes.

The petition im getting together is only with regard to the 70K limit, not the L plate, if your interested in signing, PM me and i'll send you the form. the morre people we can get to sign it the better ..i doubt we will get enough for a referendum, but at least we can try and do something about this stupid law.

[WarlockNZ]

Based on the lack of response i'm getting i'm going to assume that most of you guys who winge about the 70k limit are not interested in doing anything but that ... winging!.

Should any of you actually have an interest in, at least trying, to do something about this stupid law, you all know how to get hold of me. to date i have sent out forms to 4 people and i'm informed that we currently have upwards of 200 signatures. we need a whole lot more people. time to put your signatures where your mouths are.

[SwanTiger]

Based on the lack of response i'm getting i'm going to assume that most of you guys who winge about the 70k limit are not interested in doing anything but that ... winging!.

Should any of you actually have an interest in, at least trying, to do something about this stupid law, you all know how to get hold of me. to date i have sent out forms to 4 people and i'm informed that we currently have upwards of 200 signatures. we need a whole lot more people. time to put your signatures where your mouths are.

You're better off associating with BRONZ and using their established entity to acheive your desired goal.

People are more likely to support a voice than they are a piece of paper with signatures.

Also.

Getting angry at people and insulting them for their lack of support is pointless too, if you aren't getting attention with your petition then perhaps you need to change your approach to gain better results.

Here is an idea.

Why not make a pretty box, print out the forms and take them into every bike dealership you can find that will support your cause.

5 signatures per day x 5 dealerships x 6 working days x 4 weeks = 600 signatures in a month.