Petition for removal of L plate and 70km/hr limit????

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Im in two frames of mind on the 70km speed limit.... On one hand yes it is a hazard and a safety issue, on the open road, a newbie be forced to the side of the road being put in unsafe conditions, the shoulder of the road is not safe for even experienced riders let alone a learner, the shoulders of the road (open road) is not constructed as well, the tarmac can easily give way to the underlaying gravel etc etc... passing vechicles ie trucks don't give the room that they should especially with back wash... Also the law was for when the open road speed was 80kmph. the list goes on...

However, as a learner that is what you are suppose to be doing learning how to handle and control the bike safely, blah blah blah...

What needs to happen in reality (not that this ever will or is it in reality feasable) is that all new car drivers need to spend time on a bike... bike riders tend to see their surroundings better... mainly because the have too... having that experience behind them that passes over to when you get your car licence. Also we need to have better teaching all round, how to drive safely all round, from trucks, cars & motorcycles...

Truckers tend to forget about their backwash/wake, and now that they have increased the speed the backwash/wake will be worse... cage drivers generally just don't look... or look but don't see... motorcycles generally think that being quick and nimble means I can make that manouver when in reality you should have waited till that on coming car passed... remembering in each of these catergories there are the hoons that in reality shouldn't be on the road in my view and give both cage and bikers bad names to theother catergory.

I ride as if every other bugger on the road (including other bikers) is out to get me... and I'm still here 20 years later.

the other issues... L-Plate, time restrictions, no pillion, I have no issues with accept maybe certian 250cc bikes that are insanely fast and dangerous to a so called learner. At the end of the day it all comes down to education of everyone on the road... we have share it and be responible for our actions.

BRONZ
http://www.bronz.org.nz/index.htm

Ride Forever
http://www.rideforever.co.nz/

[9cents]

my $0.09 worth on the learner rules...

- 70km/h rule: Lose it. Dangerous and pointless. Many bikers don't live anywhere near 50km/h zones so don't tell me "stick to town"
- 250cc restriction: Keep it. Easy to police, no confusion, limits the learners ( dunno much about the aussie way but it sounds good, could always change to that )
- Time restriction: Lose it. Absolutely rediculous and pointless. Serves no safety and makes it hard for those of us who are nightowls.
- No pillions: Keep it. The last thing a learner needs is another thing to concetrate on and if he/she doesnt have profficient riding skills this is gonna be a worry. I know I definitely don't want to be carrying someone on the back of my bike at this stage.

...anyways time to go home.

[Kinje]

I agree that the 70km/hr limit should go. Everybody knows that learners don't just stick to town, many use the open road. I think I used 70km/hr once, and thought this is crazy as trucks and cars sped past and I was getting dangerously close to the edge of the tarmac.

Learner riders need to be better educated about the need to manage their speed for the conditions, and to slow down to an appropriate speed BEFORE a corner so they can ride out of it. NOT have some ill-conceived and archaic blanket rule applied.

L-plates are OK. They signal to other drivers that this person is new to the road, and please show some courtesy. Riders don't wear L-plates because they don't want to be easily spotted breaking their 70km/hr rule.

250CC size limit, time and no pillion I agree with. I'm nearly eligable to go for my full, and I'm only just starting to contemplate a bigger bike, and I still don't want to carry a pillion.

Change only the 70km/hr rule

[TLDV8]

6/10/06

Dear Me

On behalf of the Hon Harry Duynhoven, Minister for Transport Safety, I
acknowledge your email of 28 September 2006 concerning the restricted
motorcycle licence speed limit.

You may expect a personal reply from the Minister in due course.

In the meantime, can you please provide me with your postal details, so
that the Minister's response can be posted to you?

Thank you.

Tania Ditchburn
Private Secretary
Office of Hon Harry Duynhoven
Minister for Transport Safety

Ph: (04) 471 9856
Fax: (04) 472 8052

I guess the Minister is hand delivering my letter by driving up in his Vee Dub,maybe i should have sent some gas money
Still on the edge of my seat but no longer standing out by the letterbox

[vamr]

It probably is time for a review. But then you have the probability of the LTNZ stuffing it all up.

Aye, the '04's review of the transport laws for possible changes by 2010 proposed that the learners license age should be raised to 17 and bikes be restricted to 125cc (inline with "best international practises") for learners and restricted license holders. All while opening the motorbike related paragraph with a quick "bikes are just too dangerous".

[-J-]

Comming from another country where we have been through crap like this before, it doesn't work. We have some of the worst drivers and riders to be seen on the roads ever. The level of testing has dropped completly. They now allow Learners to travel at 100km/h have a blood alchol limit of 0.02 can drive on freeways (motorways?). They now also have to to a written, then 25 hrs on log book, then a practical, then a impact assessment test (no idea what that is). And they wonder why there are at least 5 casualties on perth roads alone every day.

[TLDV8]

I await the Minister's reply regarding the 70 kmh restriction.

I was hoping for a reply something like.. I rang Helen immediately and she has rubberstamped your suggestion ...It was cool to get a reply either way.

[rwh]

I was hoping for a reply something like.. I rang Helen immediately and she has rubberstamped your suggestion ...It was cool to get a reply either way.

Good stuff. Thanks for taking the time to do this.

Richard

[hamie1]

I'm in for a total removal (for me at least) BUT if you feel you need it no one should give you grief for using it! For some people it makes them feel secure. For me it makes me feel like a target. Each to their own I guess.

[WarlockNZ]

Ummm .. not sure if anybody else has noticed this, but the minister refers to a "restricted motorclycle license" .. correct me if i'm wrong, but the speed limit of 70kph is only for a Learners license.

Sound's to me like the Minister doesn't know what the fuck hes talking about.

[xwhatsit]

Still a pretty bloody good result though, no? I think that's probably the best you'd manage to get out of politicians.

@Warlock: I think when he says `holders of a restricted motorcycle licence' he means a holder of a licence which has restrictions placed on it; i.e. a learner's licence. At least that's the impression I got.

Not too bad, not too bad at all.

[WarlockNZ]

To all the people that i sent signature sheets too ... now's about the time to think about getting them back to me ... parliament goes into recess shortly and i would like to present the petition when they reconvene in the new year ... so if you have a petition sheet, start thinking about sending it back to me ... you have the address and if you don't .. PM me and i'll give it to you .

[samwp]

To all the people that i sent signature sheets too ... now's about the time to think about getting them back to me ... parliament goes into recess shortly and i would like to present the petition when they reconvene in the new year ... so if you have a petition sheet, start thinking about sending it back to me ... you have the address and if you don't .. PM me and i'll give it to you .

wait! I want to sign it. if anyone still has a sheet in the waikato-ish area I would like to sign it, good excuse for a ride too

[Waylander]

I was hoping for a reply something like.. I rang Helen immediately and she has rubberstamped your suggestion ...It was cool to get a reply either way.

Is it just me or does anyone else read that first letter and expect them to drop the open road limit down to 70kmh rather than raising the restricted speed.

[EZAS]

I don't see how having a 250 rule is justified as there is a BIG difference betwen 2 and 4 stroke. the Power rule in Aussie is the best idea. My mate had an unmarked 600 and never got done for it even though he was pulled over sevral times.
Perhaps limit to a maximum of 60hp on a learners.

L plates don't do any harm to anyone, I'd stick an L-Plate on my bike if it didn't make you a blatant target.

70kmh is dangerous

My 2 cents worth.