why is it that nekkid bikes.........

**ducatilover** · 27th February 2006, 13:40

why does it seem that nakked bikes are heavier than the sproty kind? i love nakkids and was just wondering why no one makes a superlight weight twin? even my old nana aged bros weighs 169kg dry and alot of these new beggars are all 175+

i thought the point of a nakked is lightweight?

**HenryDorsetCase** · 27th February 2006, 17:00

manufacturers know that putright preformance and speed isnt the point of nekkid bikes, so use lead pipe and cast iron for their bits, whcih is cheaper than for a full on unobtanium sprots machine??

**Coyote** · 27th February 2006, 17:10

This is why it's better to get a sprotsbike and rip everything you don't want off and turn it into a streetfighter

It's the logical choice

**marty** · 27th February 2006, 17:47

or just get a tuono r - 183kg dry. your bros is only 169 cause it's a gutless wonder, and can be built light and cheap. there has to be some strength to harness 120+ hp

http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/De...rcycletradernz

**pritch** · 27th February 2006, 19:15

Originally Posted by ducatilover

i thought the point of a nakked is lightweight?

The figures the Japanese factories put out are generally regarded as crap. Some have no basis in reality at all.

A quick check of some claimed weights would indicate your basic assumption is suspect too.
(The following are "claimed" weights)
The comparisons are as near relevant as I gould get at a glance.

Hornet 900 - 194 kg
VFR 800 - 218

Monster1000- 190
999 - 199

RSV Tuono - 181
RSV R - 189

Brutale - 178
MV F4s - 192

**Motu** · 27th February 2006, 20:21

Originally Posted by pritch008

The figures the Japanese factories put out are generally regarded as crap. Some have no basis in reality at all.

I did a thread on this recently - both the bikes I weighed were within a kilo of advertised weight...wet! Both dirt bikes of course....maybe only sprotsbikes have bullshit weight figures?

**ducatilover** · 27th February 2006, 21:07

Originally Posted by marty

or just get a tuono r - 183kg dry. your bros is only 169 cause it's a gutless wonder, and can be built light and cheap. there has to be some strength to harness 120+ hp

http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/De...rcycletradernz

ummm what has gutless got to do with it? a gsxr100k5 weighs something like 166kg dry. and an r1 or zx10 dont weigh much either so why dont the manufacturers use the chassis from hem with a wee bit of cosmetic work? atleast they wont have to design a nice heavy frame.

cb900 and vfr800 are hugely different other than the fairings, im thinkingmore fz1 fazer vs r1 kinda thingy

**Lou Girardin** · 28th February 2006, 07:25

Perhaps they think that nekkids will have to do harder work and need to be built to last.
For example, alloy subframes are not ideal for carrying pillions and luggage for two weeks holiday.

**dawnrazor** · 28th February 2006, 07:38

lighter means more expensive, more expensive means more performance, more performance means more power, more power means more speed, more speed means...ah fuck it who the hell wants to go 300kph on a bike with no fairing.

**ZeroIndex** · 28th February 2006, 07:48

Originally Posted by dawnrazor

lighter means more expensive, more expensive means more performance, more performance means more power, more power means more speed, more speed means...ah fuck it who the hell wants to go 300kph on a bike with no fairing.

And that is the answer I would agree with most

**Motu** · 28th February 2006, 07:48

Yep,a naked,or bike with a more ''classic'' set up is not so narrow focused,and will be put to many uses,this is the intention of course,and the manufacturer will allow for it in the design.Same with dirt bikes,a trail bike will always be heavier than an MXer,the race bike is only designed for one thing,a trail bike for many things.The motor in my bike is derived from an MX bike,but weighs twice as much.

**Pixie** · 28th February 2006, 10:04

Go on a diet.
You fat bastards!

Losing 20 kg off the rider has the same effect.

**pritch** · 28th February 2006, 10:04

Originally Posted by dawnrazor

ah fuck it who the hell wants to go 300kph on a bike with no fairing.

There is a true gem of wisdom that even escapes a lot of professional testers.
Worthy of bling even.

**F5 Dave** · 28th February 2006, 10:44

Originally Posted by ducatilover

ummm what has gutless got to do with it? a gsxr100k5 weighs something like 166kg dry. and an r1 or zx10 dont weigh much either. . .

But one of the fundamental things is you still believe claimed weights.

PB weighed a 166kg GSXR750 full of petrol. 207.5kg. Oh dear!
Now assuming petrol capacity is say 18 litres & we know it is lighter than water, so as you can see it really doesn't add up at all.

Duc 748 215kg. So at least the GSXR is doing well, just not that well.

Anyone who has built a half serious race bike will know that lighter components are more expensive. It is real easy to make heavy wheels that will survive the road, but to make light ones that still do is harder & hence more expensive.

**Lou Girardin** · 28th February 2006, 11:48

Originally Posted by F5 Dave

But one of the fundamental things is you still believe claimed weights.

PB weighed a 166kg GSXR750 full of petrol. 207.5kg. Oh dear!
Now assuming petrol capacity is say 18 litres & we know it is lighter than water, so as you can see it really doesn't add up at all.

.

What about 3.8 litres of oil, 2 - 3 litres of coolant, etc. Some manufacturers even weigh them with the battery out.