Attending the New Rider's Day Out 2?? Please Vote...

**SwanTiger** · 28th February 2006, 14:17

Originally Posted by Weasel

Well maybe someone should tell the LTNZ... my personal feeling is that the 70kph limit for learners is a joke, it just creates problems.

But safety in numbers, it's safter to have a group of 6/7 people doing 70kph than one on their own.

I was thinking, maybe you should invite Dover along so that he can teach everyone how to crash.

**Ixion** · 28th February 2006, 14:18

Only a legal issue IF you hold up traffic. Which is not proposed. Perfectly possible to proceed at 70kph without holding people up.

EDIT: And if they actually trundle at 80, which is still OK allowing for the 10kph tolerance, that is not much less than a lot of Ethels and Stans drive at on the open road, their optimistic speedos reading 90kph.

**Quasievil** · 28th February 2006, 14:27

Pleased there is some debate on it anyway. In my experience these rides state speeds that are rarely adhered to.
Im appearing as a bit of a know all possibly, but Im completely coming from the aspect of your guys n girls safety.

just think about safety number one and remeber you can put fluro vests and have all the best intentions in the world, but at the end of the day those in cages couldnt give a flying fuck about you or your intentions they wanna get past and quickly and they will cause issues in doing so.

**SwanTiger** · 28th February 2006, 14:43

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Pleased there is some debate on it anyway. In my experience these rides state speeds that are rarely adhered to.

Haha aint that the truth, everyone ends up trying to out do each other and doesn't enjoy the ride.

Example of driving:

The other day I was coming down SH1 and where the new motorway will finish (coming up Johnsons Hill) towards Waiwera I was getting ready to pass a long line of traffic.

The traffic was backed up from the Motorway turn off in Orewa to a little after the Puhoi turn off.

Coming up to overtake, in front of me was a black highlander 4X4, nice waxy shine, typical Aucklander vehicle. I try to get around him to over take, in the passing lane, he moves over blocking me, I try again and he ends up moving right over almost halfway into the other lane - blocking me from passing.

I drop back, knock down a few gears (remember I'm on a 250cc bike) and get a run up. Now were both into the passing lane and he still doesn't move over despite going slow. So he speeds up, faster and faster, then we reach the corner going up the hill and he breaks hard almost loosing control.

Makes it around the corner than speeds up again, at this point I'm annoyed so I cut into the left lane and pass him then cut back into his in front of him. All while dodging other traffic and him still driving like he owned the road.

No bullshit.

Thats the kind of mentality you encounter on the road, ESPECIALLY on SH16. I could of dropped back and let him rock on, but I had the confidence to control the situation and manage the hazard AND acheive my goal of passing the slow arse cunt.

I think that this is what the newbies may encounter and would have to be the main hazard. Its something that should be given emphasis and the 'options' should be explained to them.

But this is all based on the assumption that they really are newbies to the open road.

I think this is the point Quasievil is trying to make, people in cages really do have a poor driving attitude. Take for example my response to the dickhead above, if we turn it around, a newbie might be going slow, so a cager goes to overtake dangerously but the newbie doesn't quite know to move over or what to do in the situation.

All the while, the newbie wants to stick with the pack. AND LETS BE REALISTIC HERE, these packs wont be tight, all the rides I've been on you get left behind and if your lucky there will be someone like Weasel waiting at intersections for you.

**loosebruce** · 28th February 2006, 15:30

[QUOTE=swantiger] all the rides I've been on you get left behind QUOTE]

One word "Hyosung"

**GR81** · 28th February 2006, 15:38

Originally Posted by loosebruce

Originally Posted by swantiger

all the rides I've been on you get left behind

One word "Hyosung"

i just fell off my chair at that one... then again, i can't really talk :|

**SwanTiger** · 28th February 2006, 16:27

Originally Posted by loosebruce

Originally Posted by swantiger

all the rides I've been on you get left behind

One word "Hyosung"

LOL ah shit, no comeback whatsoever, ah well

**terbang** · 28th February 2006, 17:27

Ive been riding for a while (30 odd yrs) and am happy to ride rear anchor on any sort of group. Know the route well as I was born/Learned to ride up there and still frequent the place..You name it an I'm happy to do it..

**dveus** · 28th February 2006, 17:43

Originally Posted by swantiger

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Makes it around the corner than speeds up again, at this point I'm annoyed so I cut into the left lane and pass him then cut back into his in front of him. All while dodging other traffic and him still driving like he owned the road.
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I think this is the point Quasievil is trying to make, people in cages really do have a poor driving attitude. Take for example my response to the dickhead above, if we turn it around, a newbie might be going slow, so a cager goes to overtake dangerously but the newbie doesn't quite know to move over or what to do in the situation.
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It looks like you don't know what to do in the situation, getting angry and passing on the lefthand side is probably the worst thing you could have done in the situation.

**aff-man** · 28th February 2006, 17:43

I someone gonna answer my question or what??

**Karma** · 28th February 2006, 17:44

Question? Map?

Gremlin is working on something at the moment... but he's recently got stuck into some gay porn, so we may not see him for some time

**SwanTiger** · 28th February 2006, 17:58

Originally Posted by dveus

It looks like you don't know what to do in the situation, getting angry and passing on the lefthand side is probably the worst thing you could have done in the situation.

No, it was possible so I did it.

Getting angry would be riding home and getting my gun, then going to the Silverdale offramp and waiting for him to go past, then shooting him.

Admitedly I have considered it on several occasions, however having a murder conviction would reduce the amount of riding I could do.