why is it that nekkid bikes.........

[F5 Dave]

& no tyres, wiring loom, fasteners, paint?!:slap:

[ducatilover]

But one of the fundamental things is you still believe claimed weights.

PB weighed a 166kg GSXR750 full of petrol. 207.5kg. Oh dear!
Now assuming petrol capacity is say 18 litres & we know it is lighter than water, so as you can see it really doesn't add up at all.

Duc 748 215kg. So at least the GSXR is doing well, just not that well.

Anyone who has built a half serious race bike will know that lighter components are more expensive. It is real easy to make heavy wheels that will survive the road, but to make light ones that still do is harder & hence more expensive.

but the claimed weights are minus oil and coolant aswell arent they? I want to know if there are any purely sports focused nakids? because when [at the end of next year] i upgrade i want to have a sporty naked bike. maybe a modded sv650 would do [yeah it has to be a vtwin for me]

i do agree with the reliability thing, i'm geussing im the only one who will get a bike serviced every 10000k or 8000k?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Paul Dean had a really good Q & A going in Cycle world on this last year.

It seems that the manufacturers weight figures are the aggregate of all the bits used to make the bike: so no fluids at all... fork oil, brake and clutch fluid, petrol, engine oil, and possibly even the battery are not included in "Dry" weight.

because there is marketing advantage in being the "lightest", the fact you couldnt even push them round the garage, much less ride them in that state is irrelevant.

My view is all magazine tests should be conducted with the thing locked, cocked and ready to rock: full gas tank included. Some mags do this (CW and PB). CW also dyno's stuff as a matter of course. But all their stuff is US market specific, so not that useful here.


to get back to the point of the thread:

fast, light, cheap. Pick two.

[pritch]

What about 3.8 litres of oil, 2 - 3 litres of coolant, etc. Some manufacturers even weigh them with the battery out.

I read that one of the Jap manufacturers just published a figure one kg lower than the lowest opposition. If Yamaha can exagerate the claimed RMP by a coupla thou or so what's a kg between friends.

[HenryDorsetCase]

but the claimed weights are minus oil and coolant aswell arent they? I want to know if there are any purely sports focused nakids? because when [at the end of next year] i upgrade i want to have a sporty naked bike. maybe a modded sv650 would do [yeah it has to be a vtwin for me]
?

Streetfighter a TL.?

or get a naked SVthou: its about 5kg heavier than the 650 but more power in stock trim and MUCH more torque. better front suspenders and a hydraulic clutch too.

and easier to put cans on. SV650 involves cutting the pipe, whereas its bolt on with the thou. Thou sounds amazing with no cans at all !!! not so good for WOF though.

[ducatilover]

yeah i think that weighing the bikes with a full tank on test is a good idea. i know that k5/k6 thou's are rather small feeling [i sat on one ]..

i think when it comes down to it i'll go and test the bastards and see what they are like. being a scrawny beggar [i only have one big muscle] i like the smaller bikes, which is why a bros650 or vfr400 fit me very well

[ducatilover]

Streetfighter a TL.?

or get a naked SVthou: its about 5kg heavier than the 650 but more power in stock trim and MUCH more torque. better front suspenders and a hydraulic clutch too.

and easier to put cans on. SV650 involves cutting the pipe, whereas its bolt on with the thou. Thou sounds amazing with no cans at all !!! not so good for WOF though.

i have a mate with an sv thou with an after market can [the only thou with a single can that ive seen] and that sounds fairly good. they are quite decently sized aswell, what are they like to ride? i have someone who wants to port my bros650

[Lou Girardin]

I want to know if there are any purely sports focused nakids? because when [at the end of next year] i upgrade i want to have a sporty naked bike. maybe a modded sv650 would do [yeah it has to be a vtwin for me]

Speed Triple, Superduke, Tuono, Brutale, Z1000, to name a few.

[ducatilover]

speedtriples are beautys. if i ever had th moolah for a tuono it would get clipons. i dont want a nekkid bike with these fucken motorcross bars:slap: ...

im going to see how the bros650 is coming along, im going to mount the clipons below the top triple clamp

[skelstar]

BMW K1200R. Fastest nekid production bike apparently. 165BHP? 221kg.

[ducatilover]

ummm why would i be on a bike that fast?

too heavy and big for my likeing, i like the sv650 nakked, just need more grunt is all, maybe ill try both sv's when i have my full

[ducatilover]

skel- whats yer hornet like compared to your hyobag? not in terms of power but in handling and comfort, riding possie?

[skelstar]

Changed the bars so the riding pos is more agressive. The seat is higher and wider so more of a reach to ground. Not cool for steep driveways (or parking in ). Much better handling in the Takas and anywhere else in general. Feels really planted in the corners. Had to mess around with the rear-sus for about 5mins to firm it up. The bike is heavier (30kgs) but doesnt feel it when Im riding. Much more solid feel. The 'bag turned in faster though...but not that you would really care eh?

[skelstar]

Should say that my butt gets sore quicker (ie 1 hour of continuous riding), but when you are riding with others its not a problem as you are always stopping anyway. I just ride with Firestorm owners as they have to stop every hour to gas up anyway .

[ducatilover]

so the higher rear does have an effect on handling? i need to raise the bros rear end. i can see why the hyobag turned in quicker, it is smaller and i wouldnt doubt skinnier. i have a soft spot for those hornets, even though they are a four