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LTSA always concentrate on the end result, as if it's inevitable. Never a mention or incentive on how to AVOID accidents.
As for different cars stopping distances, Autocar has tested their quickest stopping car to date, a Mazda 3 of all things. It could travel at 65 km/h and still stop quicker than a Holden at 60.
It's all glossy bullshit made by LTSA's mates at Monash U with our hard paid fines, designed to appeal to the 'Gee, look at that' demographic.
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Yeah that was great!!Originally Posted by Jackrat
I like the new add with the guy buried on the gravel road.
Cracked up big time first time I saw that.
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Well what about those stupid stupid ads with that guy "Toddy" who lost his license for "doing 130 down the main".
Yeah, I know it got my attention and all that bullshit but come on, those ads were just about good for a laugh and thats all, apart from that they were stupid.
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Looks like I should get a life and watch a bit more TV,then I could post on this thread with enlightening comments.
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I'd have to buy one first.
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The Valkyrie is only a third of the weight of a car. It's easier to stop a lighter vehicle, even with smaller brakes. A Formula 1 car has compatively very small disc brakes - it only weighs 600kgs - compared to a Skyline GTR - at 1500kgs and still stops faster. An all-four-wheels-locked-up skidding car definately does NOT stop quicker on Tarmac than the same car fitted with ABS -for your average 'joe citizen' driver-. Any professional driver, and probably even most 'above average' skilled drivers may be able to go against the trend, but most of us aren't that good.
Get a car with ABS. Do a stop test - foot hard to the floor. Unplug the ABS and do it again. Go on, surprise yourself.
However, your point -It is there to allow you to steer while braking as this is a skill out of reach of most drivers.- is entirely true...
Let alone the fact that these ads tend to ignore:
differences in car design
worn shocks
tyre compound
tyre condition
brake pad compound
brake temperate
and the list goes on...
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The weight isn't the issue so much as the tyre contact patch, and how much energy is transmitted through that contact patch during braking. The car, even accounting for weight has a huge advantage in how much rubber is on the road, and "common" knowledge dictated that this advantage meant that cars stopped better than bikes. I think the Performance Bikes blokes were as surprised as anyone else that the bikes performed so well, and put the improvement down to improvements in brake feel, tyre compound, and suspension control. Interestingly, the non-ABS equipped bikes stopped better than their ABS equipped equivalent model when ridden by a good rider, and the trend reversed when ridden by an average rider.
The two cars I've owned that had ABS could be stopped quicker with it turned off. I never, EVER just slam full brakes on. I try to eke every last bit of traction out of my tyres as I stop. It's about technique and it can be learned. Locking the wheels up in a car is a sign of a skilless bunny.
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Ooooh lets have a big long discussion about cadence braking!
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mmmmmm cadence braking.... the human equivalent of ABS, it can be very effective when braking and needing to turn... i don't see that ABS as a "braking" improvement.... but a handling improvement....
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Some driving instructors say to lock up the brakes with one big foot to the floor hit, then relax back to 85% then back on and repeat.
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Locking up means you're out of control. I have "issues" with "instructors" who suggest losing control of a vehicle as an optimum method of maximising your safety. It equates to "laying the bike down" to avoid an accident. Which as we should all know is surrendering your fate to the lap of what ever faith system you subscribe to.
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I think he is talking about car driving and not bike riding.
When i had instructors they said the same, but his exact words were "going from 101% to 99% back and forward," he used the term "Threshold Braking," and it was at the holden advanced driving school. It is pretty much impossible to get the maximum out of your braking without momentarily locking the brakes up a few times before coming to a stop, cause if you don't there is no way of knowing that you are getting the maximum out of your brakes. But yes, i do agree that you can get more out of your non abs system than an abs system, but for 99% of the people out there, the mash as hard as you can method is the best they can ever comprehend. But look at the GT3 porsches, they have ABS and have to keep that on for racing, so it must be good for something.
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I was talking about car driving. I still have issues with Instructors who advocate losing control of a vehicle in an emergency. Brakes aren't there to make your vehicle stop, they are a negative acceleration device, and as such are used to adjust your velocity. Some times you need them to make a stop. Too much driver education focuses on using your brakes to come to a complete halt, particularly when an emergency situation may call for a different approach. ABS is designed primarily to allow the average driver to steer in an emergency situation with the brake pedal mashed to the floor in such a way that he/she would be utterly out of control without ABS. I've seen accident scenes where the dashed tyre marks indicating a rapidly pulsing ABS system ultimately still end in an impact because the driver was target fixated and made no attempt to steer. Probabaly because no one told he could thanks to ABS. His original mash the pedal to the floor and lock it up instructions had been imprinted and he'd not practiced, or even visualised the scenario with the ABS making the difference.
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Jim, alot of the holden driving course focuses on the negative effects of target fixation and how looking through and around hazards at clear road will greatly reduce the likelyhood of an incident. Very little of the course was straight line "stopping" but maintaining control of the vehicle when decelerating.
One of the excersises was to nail a litlle suzuki up and over a little rise and fly towards three lanes of cones, you weren't allowed to brake until the instructor lit up a traffic light infront of you which also indicated the lane you were required to go into, you then had to brake and turn quite severly to avoid cleaning out a dozen cones.
These skills should be practiced/shown to everyone as part of driver training in my opinion and this would greatly affect the road toll.
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Thanks for reinforcing my point. Is the Holden driving course affordable for beneficiaries?
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