Motorcycle Restricted Licence Test (Scam)

[Streetwise]

You dont think ive gone down the path with the LTNZ. haha thats funny. Are you in the training game.???

[Streetwise]

isnt this what these forums are for ???

[bugjuice]

You are right Buggy but he did ask for peoples opinions:

I thought it was rhetorical.

Yes, that's what these forums are for I guess. But it's been done to death, about how under-looked we are, and how much of a raw deal we get on the roads, and for testing, and ACC levies, and bus lanes, and petrol, and this and that.. I know you haven't got too many posts up yet, but bitchin gets you so far, and you'd be forever bitchin..

K, a guy bitches, cos his missus doesn't do much in the sack. Do you not say anything and bitch about it, getting bitter and let it over come you? Or do you mention something, come to a mutually happy agreement, and get 5 years back from your deathbed from stress and bitterness?

Fix it, then you don't have to bitch all the time, doesn't get you anywhere.. (not a personal thing, a general thing..)

[Streetwise]

Ill give you that, But in reality to fix anything we need the numbers, All bikers need to be in touch and wlling to put pen to paper, Without these people knowing what the story is or getting a feel for peoples appinions how can i argue ,,,, I been in tuch with the LTNZ for years now and had lots of rather heated conversations with more than my share, but as i said before numbers talk, Would you be willing to ride to parliment and park on there lawn to put your point accross,,,,,


If you will i wil,

[bugjuice]

fuck yeah.. You imagine a thousand bikers all parked up there? It's make some noise. But processes have to be in place before it gets to that.

First, everything by letter. Emails and internet forums can be faked and numbers altered by multiple logins from one person. Which makes the task a bit more lengthy.

Someone writes a letter saying change it to yada yada, and wait for a reply.

reply says no, go away.

you write back saying do it or we protest (to use a bad word)

reply says no, go away.

We all write in, in protest and swamp the mail stuff.

reply still says no, go away.

we ride up there and get ourselves heard, with media coverage.

What's shitty about it, is that it'll take a while for that process. For their replies, they could string it out for weeks. In the event of no reply, then you assume no, go away. So on with the next step.

imho by doing it that way, you've given them reasonable time to respond with a solution. No solution means you have to step the game up. If there's still no resolution, then a physical presence has to be shown so that they can see a face to the anger.

If there's a quicker way, then post it.
But I'd be happy to ride over their lawn for this.. and everything else like tarsnakes and bad white-lining that all gets bloody slippy in the wet.

[Streetwise]

Ok lets put up a post to test the water. I would like to see if the masses would be keen on doing the same thing..... Im kkkkkkeeeeeennnn as hell, Tney cant ignore 10000 bikes on there front porch,

[bugjuice]

poll it up then.. know how?

i'd ride from akl to wgtn for it.. just hope it doesn't rain..

[skelstar]

If one were to organise a protest like this you would have to VERY carefully decide exactly what the issue is, and provide a solution. A solution that is reasonable and doesnt cost a lot of money.

[bugjuice]

yeah, that is the underlying success to something like this.

Overall, by fixing the problems, it'll reduce the costs, so that's gotta be a strong point..

[Streetwise]

ive posted, We could start with lowering the ACC contant of out registration costs due to the fact that car drivers cause most accidents....

[bugjuice]

what presence does motorcycling have in the big-wig decision makers box anyway? They make all these rules for us, and I bet they've never touched a bike themselves..

it's like those cheese-cutter median barriers too.. great idea for anything but bikes..

[DemonWolf]

Its a good idea.. but as others have stated.. the process needs to be thought fully.

How is the government going to make up a shortfall in the ACC levies if its reduce for bikers? Increase it for Cars? trucks? etc etc...

The ACC Levy isn't there to help reduce the carnage on the roads.. its there to help provide a service fixing up after the fact an accident has been caused.... or so I believe.. could be mistaken.. often have been.

[Streetwise]

thats true but the argument put forward from the gov is that acc pays for the damage to people on the roads, If less people are hurt there are lower costs,

[Shadows]

I think the tests are necessary.
I also think that it should be compulsory for every road user to go through the hassle of obtaining a motorcycle licence before they can progress to learning how to operate other vehicles. With a reduced timeframe for the graduated license of course.
That would get the useless cunts in the motoring population off the roads for good and everybody would be better off.
More importantly we'd end up with a better gene pool too.

[Lazy7]

realise that for everybody that passes the restricted test there is probably a person that fails.

and if you thought it was easy to pass... imagine how hopeless the rider would need to be to fail