Bike protest at parlimant ground,,, Would you come,,

[Postie]

your looking at the back of your rego sticker and seeing the large part that goes to ACC and you have a little cry. Cars also pay ACC but less on rego then a bike, this much is established. Are you aware that ACC also take a nice chunk out of your wallet when you fill up with petrol? Hence if you drive a gas guzzling 4X4 all year or a boy racer hairdrier then the amount of ACC that you pay for in gas will be far greater then if you ride around all year using a couple of tranks a week on a bike, it will even out, myabe not totally but it will be closer then you think. If i could be arsed (which i can't) then i could probably work out an average cost paid to ACC for a 600/1000 cc bike compared to a V6 petrol Isuzu Bighorn and it would probably be fairly close.
To make it fair, you should pay as you go, its a theory that has been quoted before, get rid off ACC levies on all road registration and bump up fuel to cover the cost, the more you drive, the more time you are on the road, the more chance on being involved in an accident. You would have used more fuel and so contributed more to ACC so you are entitled to being repaired with out people crying about howo they never crash but have to pay ACC.
Or make paying ACC optional, if you decide not to pay it on your rego then thats no problem but once you crash and require ACC, you get fuck all help. I wonder how many people will take that option.
Duty on helmets is close to criminal and should have never been alowed.

[Streetwise]

well thats also a fair call, Remove acc levies from rego and add it to the petrol. This would make the user pays system much more fair???

The downfall is that there are to many options and opinions and this causes people not to be interested in trying to make a change, Im interested in getting bikes all over the parliment grounds from all over the country, if nothing else comes out of it at least they know that there is an organised bunch of motorcyclists that are looking after the interest of all,

[sefer]

Hey, not wanting to rain on your parade (or protest ) but you need to relises that there is more to making the type of protest you seem to be considering.

First up you need to identify the reason for the protest (which all seems a bit vague atm).

Second you need to be looking at creating an offical petition or lobby. There is some info here http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.ns...s?OpenDocument

Once you've done those things you can look at a protest, but it's important to relise that such a public protest is really only a media/public preception exercise. You orginise as many people as you can, issue a press release to the media (a MUST, media rarely just show up to events, they are invited via press release, sometimes months in advance). The idea being that if you have enough public awareness (and hopefully support) you force a desision.

Of couse there is nothing wrong with presenting other issues once you have the attention you want, but there should be at least one (maybe two) key focus issues (make them intresting ones that Joe Blow Public can relate to! Charging ACC for a individual, rather than a vehicle seems prefect, as most people can relate to that).

I'm not saying don't do it, not at all, many people will agree and that makes it worthwhile, I'm just making sure you know there is a little more to it than just showing up on the steps and reving your engine

[sefer]

These are probably the key bits you need to know

Petitioning Parliament

A Petition to the House of Representatives requests the House to take some action on a matter of public policy or law, or to deal with a local or a private grievance (such as amend the law, change Government policy, or hold a public inquiry into an unsatisfactory situation).

Anyone of any age can petition the House in either Mäori or English. The petition should include the name and address of the "Principal Petitioner" (a daytime phone number is also helpful). The Principal Petitioner is usually the person who has organised the petition, and the person sought by the Select Committee when more information is needed. They should sign the front page of the petition. Each page containing signatures should be headed with the petitioner's request. The language used should be respectful, moderate, and to the point. There should not be any documents attached to the petition. While media attention focuses on petitions with many signatures, one signature can be enough for a small matter.


Presenting the Petition

A petition has to be presented to the House through a Member of Parliament (presenting the petition does not necessarily mean that the MP agrees with it). The MP is also required to sign the front page.

The petition then goes to a Select Committee for consideration. The Committee might seek further information from the petitioner, from Government Departments and from other interested parties, and it might hear oral evidence. Petitioners who want to give oral evidence should state this clearly when giving information.

When reporting on a petition to the House, a Select Committee will generally either: report and make recommendations; make no recommendation at all (in this case no further action will be taken on the petition); or if the petition was considered with other business, acknowledge the petition in its report on the other business. Occasionally it will present a "narrative" report outlining the evidence and making recommendations.

The Government must report, within 90 days of the Committee's report being presented, on what action, if any, it has taken to implement the Select Committee's recommendations. Government reports on petitions are printed and available to the public.


Other Action First?

Petitioning may not always be the first course of action. The Ombudsmen can investigate and review some decisions, recommendations or acts of Government Departments, local authorities and related organisations (such as school boards). A petition will not be accepted if the matter is one that can be investigated by the Ombudsmen and the petitioner has not referred it there. You can contact the Office of the Ombudsmen (free phone 0800 802 602, email office@ombudsmen.govt.nz, www.ombudsmen.govt.nz) to see if your case should be referred there.

A petition will not be accepted if it can be dealt with by a court or a tribunal and has not been considered by one. A petition that is similar to other petitions that have already been considered by the House will only be considered if substantial and material new evidence has become available in the meantime.

[kiwifruit]

the law is an ass
i would attend.

[Streetwise]

Hello thanks for the info, At this stage im trying to gauge the support factor to something like this,. But i will need the info if it all goes ahead. But really if 10.000 bikes rolled into parliment grounds someone would listen, im sure of that,

[Streetwise]

also there are some mojor changes for motorcycles comming through with the LTNZ so now is the good time to ask the questions,

[Shadows]

Been done, fuck all good it did.

Well then it had better be done again. Maybe a bit of road disruption would help. I'll be there. Twice. With friends. And with knobs on. Any excuse to piss off Helen sounds great to me.

[aff-man]

Postie: Sure that a big V6 guzzels gas but then it's the owners choise to drive one.... It's like driving a mini which would run on the smell of an oily rag and driving a ferrari which you fill up every 100km.

Just becuase bikes have lower capacity engines doesn't mean it's a level playing field. If all rego's were the same then the only difference in paying ACC would be on the type of vehicle you chose to use. Thereby putting the cost off ACC in the end users hands instead of that choice being made for us..

Just my 2c worth.

[Skyryder]

For this to have any effect you would need a massive turnout by New Zealand's biker community. And while most here are sports riders you will not gernerate the media attention that this cause deserves unless you can incorperate the cruiser crowd. That coupled with a takeover of the parking metres in Wellington should get everyone's attention. There needs to be a fair bit of logistics put into this. The New Zealsnd biker community has the clout for change if it can organise itself properly.

Skyryder

[Streetwise]

Skyrider, Yes i would aggree that we can force change but there has to be input and help from many people, What i have found is that lots of people want change but just cant be bothered with the battle, "Want happen" "Been done before". so until we all can aggree that there are issues that need repairing its always going to be an uphill battle,

[Skyryder]

Skyrider, Yes i would aggree that we can force change but there has to be input and help from many people, What i have found is that lots of people want change but just cant be bothered with the battle, "Want happen" "Been done before". so until we all can aggree that there are issues that need repairing its always going to be an uphill battle,

Talk to some Ulysess people. Sound them out for participation. They are an older crowd and draw in all sorts of people. Lawyers, buisness types etc. You will only need a few hardcore to organise. Most people are followers not leaders.

The one piece of advice I would give is to keep your greviance short and simple. Do not try and take on all things, other wise everthing gets bogged down. You have mentioned ACC levies. This effects all bikers. It is probably too late into the summer for much too happen at the moment. So you have untill now and next riding season for something to happen. The other thing is that you need to plan in advance what weekend you are going to do this. Not much point if Parliment is in recess. The other thing is that if you organise a petition see that it is delivered to a member of the Government not the opposition.

Skyryder

[Streetwise]

Thanks for that info, Im going to make up a paper form of the petition and start to get it out there for signitures, As long as there is going to be support, Im finding it funny that there are alot of people that just dont care about how much they pay.

[sefer]

Remember to check the rules for the petition! One fuck-up (someone signing twice, not verifible, etc...) will invalidate the whole thing. Also remember you need an MP to present it. Doesn't have to be someone who supports it, but it'd help

[Grumpy]

There was a protest on this topic about 5 years ago and as I recall it did have an effect. Since then the rego has reduced a little, not much but the major result was the proposed increases that were suggested were dropped.

It would pay to get hold of someone from Bronz to get the full story and I'm sure they would have some advice for you.