Some people just don't get statistics...

**James Deuce** · 19th April 2004, 16:58

Originally Posted by Indo

And neither do I, whats your point?

If you don't get it by now there's no point explaining. As for re-reading posts I think you missed a few lines in my one, got incensed and posted some fairly aggressive responses that require responses.

I asked you a question: if the police, who haven't bothered to turn up when rung about potential immediate threats to my property and wellbeing twice, don't deserve my ire, whom do I vent my spleen to?

The court system was no help and we lost property and no claims bonuses. It cost us money and aggravation, and I lost my CD collection and never saw any of them again, and my wife lost her Grandmother's 1930 vintage nursing medal. Which we got back from a local 2nd hand dealer. Whom the police wouldn't prosecute for receiving.

I have not had good experiences with the police in regard to real threats to personal security. On the other hand I have had only one issue with a traffic guy and that was easily sorted. They've actually been helpful on more than one occasion, and even at 5am at a checkpoint I had a guy that was friendly wave me on after I explained I already been through 2 checkpoint in 20 minutes. As I said, getting a speeding ticket is your own silly fault, and I have no idea how we got to such an antagonistic "place".

I'm taking a chill pill and having a lie down.

**Indo** · 19th April 2004, 17:17

Mate at the end of the day my point was that on neither of those occasions did the Police not 'bother' to turn up. In the first case with the burglars it sounds like an incompetent call-taker, and in the second theres not much you can do when the amount of crime > the number of police cars available.

That comes down to a question of resources which your average cop has no control over. And trust me theres nothing Police would have liked more to do than catch the arseholes robbing your house or breaking into your car, its incredibably frustrating to get there to late.

It just gets really irritating when cops do their best in pretty shitty conditions and still get slagged off over something they have no control over.

As to the aftermath thats a story thats way to common from a victims point of view. As to the 2nd hand dealer, its not a question of not being willing to prosecute, but not being able to, the law in regard to receiving is a bit of an arse.

**SPman** · 19th April 2004, 17:39

Originally Posted by Indo

It just gets really irritating when cops do their best in pretty shitty conditions and still get slagged off over something they have no control over.
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Its human nature. Always attack/slag off the immediate perceived cause of your aggravation/frustration!
Now if we could just figure out a way of channelling all that aggro/bitching/etc, DIRECTLY at the gummint, we could be on to something!

**pete376403** · 19th April 2004, 19:19

Originally Posted by Indo

Mate at the end of the day my point was that on neither of those occasions did the Police not 'bother' to turn up. In the first case with the burglars it sounds like an incompetent call-taker, and in the second theres not much you can do when the amount of crime > the number of police cars available.

That comes down to a question of resources which your average cop has no control over. .

But doesn't this come back to how the Police management distribute their resources? As in another thread, six HP cars and the helicopter to chase 1 speeding car? Police management should have ordered at least four of the cars out of the chase.
Spud, will police management ever do this?

**Skyryder** · 19th April 2004, 20:14

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Did you make a complaint about the bad driving? The cops can't be everywhere and they rely on receiving information from the public to apprehend dangerous drivers.

Why don't you start reporting bad driving to the authorities instead of writing letters to newspapers.

Used to do that myself when the kids were young. Mind you it had to be a realy silly piece of driveing. Stopped when the Police got the letters mixed up. Coming home from work one day when this dickhead came around the corner on the wrong side of the road. In those days I was riding a we 250 Honda dirt. Did a fast u-turn and got his number. Turned out the guy was a used car salesman with his buisness. Now what relay upset me was that the Police sent me the letter inteded to go to the driver while the letter that was intended for me with my name on it went to the car salesman. This bastard rang up the kids and threatened them for my actions. Now to cut a long story short I wrote a letter to the Police and sent a copy of this letter to my MP suggestiong that as this was there cockup someone had better sort this sod out pronto. Had a visit a few days from Mr Plod later and a letter of appologies and was told that the problem had been fixed. No idea what was said but never heard from this indavidual again and I never reported driving offences after this.

Skyryder

**scumdog** · 19th April 2004, 21:16

Originally Posted by pete376403

But doesn't this come back to how the Police management distribute their resources? As in another thread, six HP cars and the helicopter to chase 1 speeding car? Police management should have ordered at least four of the cars out of the chase.
Spud, will police management ever do this?

Imagine if ALL bike riders were so harshly judged on isolated incidents or individal rider? (MAYBE WE ARE!)

I bet if that was the case a lot of you would scream "not fair" then.

I think there are about 5,000 cops in N.Z and someof you think they are ALL racist, incompetent, slack arse ticket dispensing road nazis because of the few you have met.

es

**spudchucka** · 20th April 2004, 22:29

Originally Posted by pete376403

But doesn't this come back to how the Police management distribute their resources? As in another thread, six HP cars and the helicopter to chase 1 speeding car? Police management should have ordered at least four of the cars out of the chase.
Spud, will police management ever do this?

6 cars is too many, especially if they had the chopper up. I don't have a copy of the new policy in front of me but as I recall it says no more than 2 police vehicles immediately pursuing the fleeing vehicle. I'll check on that when I get a chance.

The police management don't really have a choice regarding resource allocation as they are required to deliver X amount of traffic enforcement or the funding goes out the window. As another poster said in this thread the problem relly lies with how the police a funded and resourced from Govt.

**James Deuce** · 20th April 2004, 22:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

Imagine if ALL bike riders were so harshly judged on isolated incidents or individal rider? (MAYBE WE ARE!)

I bet if that was the case a lot of you would scream "not fair" then.

I think there are about 5,000 cops in N.Z and someof you think they are ALL racist, incompetent, slack arse ticket dispensing road nazis because of the few you have met.

es

No maybe about it.

**DEATH_INC.** · 21st April 2004, 07:03

Let me give you an example....
A few years My bosses business went through a spate of ram-raids(like 3 in two weeks) which got to the point of nearly closing us down as the insurance companys were getting a bit edgy.any way after one of them the boss was there and rang the police and got the standard 'in a few days 'speech,to which he replied 'ok the next bastard that pokes his head through the door is gonna be shot'and hung up.....there was a unit there in 5 minutes.(he didn't actually have a firearm).And he spent a good amount of time there.
So how come a unit suddenly became availiable?With time to spare?

**jrandom** · 21st April 2004, 09:07

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

So how come a unit suddenly became availiable?With time to spare?

Priorities innit. Someone's got a gun and says they'll use it, you have a potential homicide. Much better to avert it than wear the enormous cost of investigating and prosecuting afterwards. Hence the snappy response.

Believe me, I know how it feels to be the wronged and neglected citizen in these circumstances, but would you rather a rape victim on the other side of town had to wait half a day before seeing anyone so that they could fingerprint your burglary scene?

Like Spud says, it's about top-level decisions and mostly comes down to the available money. Write to your MP and argue rationally for a better funding structure that will help the front-line beat coppers.

**spudchucka** · 21st April 2004, 20:03

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Let me give you an example....
A few years My bosses business went through a spate of ram-raids(like 3 in two weeks) which got to the point of nearly closing us down as the insurance companys were getting a bit edgy.any way after one of them the boss was there and rang the police and got the standard 'in a few days 'speech,to which he replied 'ok the next bastard that pokes his head through the door is gonna be shot'and hung up.....there was a unit there in 5 minutes.(he didn't actually have a firearm).And he spent a good amount of time there.
So how come a unit suddenly became availiable?With time to spare?

Think about what you are saying. Your boss has made a direct threat to kill someone with a firearm. The police have no choice but to treat that as a serious and immediate threat. By doing this he has taken a police unit away from the job that they were doing, (a legitamate job with actual victims) and wasted their time with his bogus threat.

**Lou Girardin** · 22nd April 2004, 03:12

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

Let me give you an example....
A few years My bosses business went through a spate of ram-raids(like 3 in two weeks) which got to the point of nearly closing us down as the insurance companys were getting a bit edgy.any way after one of them the boss was there and rang the police and got the standard 'in a few days 'speech,to which he replied 'ok the next bastard that pokes his head through the door is gonna be shot'and hung up.....there was a unit there in 5 minutes.(he didn't actually have a firearm).And he spent a good amount of time there.
So how come a unit suddenly became availiable?With time to spare?

That is almost exactly what happened to the South Isalnd guy who recently shot a cop, then topped himself. He got no response from Plod to several burglaries, so he arrested two guys at gun point at his premises (didn't fire it).
The Police prosecuted him ( another major criminal dealt with), it finally cost him his business. So he flipped and tried to kill the first cop he saw.
Maybe they should have put down their doughnuts and helped him when he needed it.
Lou

**scumdog** · 22nd April 2004, 08:25

Do all you guys that moan about the cops not turning up or turning up promptly think the reason for it was because they were all sitting around in a do-nut shop somewhere and couldn't be buggered moving? - c'mon!!! :disapint:

**Big Dog** · 22nd April 2004, 18:06

Originally Posted by scumdog

Do all you guys that moan about the cops not turning up or turning up promptly think the reason for it was because they were all sitting around in a do-nut shop somewhere and couldn't be buggered moving? - c'mon!!! :disapint:

I have seen senior officers turn off their radios because they were waiting for their Subway. Mind you I don't like having my lunch interupted either.