Taranaki farmer aquitted

[soundbeltfarm]

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Not only that but you have a bunch of other farmers coming up on the stand saying they do the exact same thing, apparently because they think its safe. Despite the fact that 50 or so kids are injured and some killed every year as a result of atv crashes.

im a farmer and the kids come on the bike with me, i dont let them ride it alone, but it will never change even if he was charged. i think it safer for them to be on the bike with me than left alone in the room at the shed while i get the cows in. ( they are 2 and 4 yrs)

change it around a bit ,
you ride a road bike and most probably speed at some time or ride beyond your abilities sometime,
people die from those every year as well but do you take any notice despite the facts?
and if you do i dont think it would change the way you ride forever.

[soundbeltfarm]

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Let's just look at the facts:

1. Through parental neglect and carelessness a child died.
2. A parent had been consistently taking liberties with the health and safety of their children.

the fact is people get relaxed when things dont go wrong and are a routine thing.

i could go into 99 percent of households with children under 3 and i bet i could find toys that say not for use for 3 yrs and under.
yet we as parents continue to let kids play with them .

how many kids get into cleaning products or medicine cabinets because they were not locked and ingest some of this stuff.

how many parents leave their children alone in the bath or shower , what if they slip and fall, hit their head and fall unconcious and drown.

i see many people with children in their vehicle and go over the speed limit.

there are many things that people do because they relax to the situation because they have done it before with no consequences.

this is my opinion and everyone is welcome to theirs .
i think it is because we know these people that i get ticked off when i see people write stuff against them.

[Indoo]

im a farmer and the kids come on the bike with me, i dont let them ride it alone, but it will never change even if he was charged. i think it safer for them to be on the bike with me than left alone in the room at the shed while i get the cows in. ( they are 2 and 4 yrs)

change it around a bit ,
you ride a road bike and most probably speed at some time or ride beyond your abilities sometime,
people die from those every year as well but do you take any notice despite the facts?
and if you do i dont think it would change the way you ride forever.

Yep but theres a huge difference between you putting the kids on the back and letting a tiny 4 year old kid drive a 400 kg relatively powerful bike with absolutely no protection and insufficient supervision.

Its pure idiocy, and even if you are gonna let a 4 year old drive a bike that size at least spend 150bucks and get the kid a helmet, thats all it would have taken to save that kids life.

[Hitcher]

the fact is people get relaxed when things dont go wrong and are a routine thing.

i think it is because we know these people that i get ticked off when i see people write stuff against them.

If a father was cleaning his rifle, left it on the floor unattended while he went to the loo or to answer the phone and a child was killed as a consequence, we would expect the Police to take action.

If a child found its way into a cupboard at the back of a garage and drank half a litre of weedkiller and died, we would expect the Police to take action.

If a child died as a consequence of travelling unrestrained in a motor vehicle, we would expect the Police to take action.

A child dies because they're struck by lightning. We would not expect the Police to take action.

The issue here is not the tragedy. Shit happens, I understand that. But letting people off scot-free when there are measures they could/should have taken to avoid the tragedy is, in my opinion, unacceptable.

As I said in my earlier post, I believe that a guilty conviction was warranted, but that any sentence should have been waived.

A child has died. The "system" and some members of our community believe that nobody is at fault. I can't accept that.

I also feel sorry for the Vanners in having to deal with the loss of a child and the public consequences of that. I hope that the passing of time allows them to come to terms with their loss.

[Lou Girardin]

[FONT=Tahoma][FONT=&quot][FONT=Tahoma]the police had no alternative but to present his case to the courts, because he obviously broke the law in allowing a 4 year old, a kid to ride a potentially lethal machine.

Except that there is no law against it. Which is why they used manslaughter and a back-up charge of criminal nuisance. They were out to nail him.

[Lou Girardin]

Yep but theres a huge difference between you putting the kids on the back and letting a tiny 4 year old kid drive a 400 kg relatively powerful bike with absolutely no protection and insufficient supervision.

Its pure idiocy, and even if you are gonna let a 4 year old drive a bike that size at least spend 150bucks and get the kid a helmet, thats all it would have taken to save that kids life.

So kids should be banned from riding MX bikes too?
They're wrapped in enough cotton wool as it is, attitudes like this will make it worse.

[Indoo]

So kids should be banned from riding MX bikes too?
They're wrapped in enough cotton wool as it is, attitudes like this will make it worse.

Thats a bit different than letting a 4 year old child ride a 400 kg powerful farm quad without a helmet and without supervision.

Its not wrapping them up in cotton wool its just having a bit of common sense, ie buying the kid a helmet, getting them a mini quad and ensuring that they are supervised closely at all times.

[Lou Girardin]

Thats a bit different than letting a 4 year old child ride a 400 kg powerful farm quad without a helmet and without supervision.

Its not wrapping them up in cotton wool its just having a bit of common sense, ie buying the kid a helmet, getting them a mini quad and ensuring that they are supervised closely at all times.

Did you hear any comments from farmers interviewed about the issue?
Things like, " a farm is a workplace AND a home, you can't keep the kids away from dangerous machinery as you can in the city".
"Kids are an integral part of a working farm, they are there to help"

This was work, not play. Even the cockies don't wear helmets and protective clothing.

[terbang]

Oh well if some of these arguements hold tight I'll, as I have said before, give my 14 year old daughter (who can ride a trail bike) the keys to my Busa and set her loose on the road. Makes as much sense as a 4 YO riding a Quad..

[Grahameeboy]

Except that there is no law against it. Which is why they used manslaughter and a back-up charge of criminal nuisance. They were out to nail him.

So there has to be a law to be broken first......so it has to be against the law to let a 4 year old ride a quad and then it is okay to prosecute......what about Natural Law.......

[Hitcher]

Did you hear any comments from farmers interviewed about the issue?

Yes I did. I was particularly galled by Federated Farmers' official stance on the matter. But note that farmers are about as averse to change as you get ("Grandad did it that way, so that's good enough for me!" "We provide the backbone of this economy, so you soft-cock townies can go fuck yourselves.").

Some of them still pine for the days of "one farm, one vote". They need to recognise that they are part of a wider community that has views on a whole bunch of stuff that may differ widely from their narrow world view and feudal interests (dog control, walking access to land, climate change, water allocation, clean streams, fertiliser run-off, fuel taxes, dehorning cattle, etc).

[Grahameeboy]

Did you here any comments from farmers interviewed about the issue?
Things like, " a farm is a workplace AND a home, you can't keep the kids away from dangerous machinery as you can in the city".
"Kids are an integral part of a working farm, they are there to help"

This was work, not play. Even the cockies don't wear helmets and protective clothing.

sorry mate but that is a whole lot of 100% pure bollocks

Farms that employ people are presumably subject to Health and Safety regulations so your other point about there being no law against allowing a 4 year old to ride a quad seems to be wrong......I think that that breaches of regulations can be punishable...

[Ixion]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[Grahameeboy]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

and so is foresight.....just that hindsight is a reason to justify sometimes..not all the time...and not in the case of the Farmer case, sorry to say.

[Grahameeboy]

im a farmer and the kids come on the bike with me, i dont let them ride it alone, but it will never change even if he was charged. i think it safer for them to be on the bike with me than left alone in the room at the shed while i get the cows in. ( they are 2 and 4 yrs)

change it around a bit ,
you ride a road bike and most probably speed at some time or ride beyond your abilities sometime,
people die from those every year as well but do you take any notice despite the facts?
and if you do i dont think it would change the way you ride forever.

But Kids rely on their parents to guide them and safe guard them when they are young.