Taranaki farmer aquitted

[Grahameeboy]

If he got his way, parents will have to have their kids under surveilance every second they are home, possibly kept inside out of harms way.
They will no longer be kids, they'll be pets.

That is just over the top 1984 bollocks Lou......

I'm just glad that I grew up in a society that recognised that accidents happen (and they were few) and that people have to be left alone to make their mistakes and learn from them

We still recognise that accidents happen but what society did you live in that took no responsibility and allowed people to be left alone to make mistakes and learn from it because when it comes to kids they do need some protection and adult examples so that they take more responsibility when they are adults.....plus it does not apear that your society has worked

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[Lou Girardin]

Firstly, his letter was real and he is a board member. That is the thinking that is current in that organisation. So if you think it's bollocks, pay more attention to what these people are saying.
Secondly, the society I grew up in was not perfect. But it was healther, had less crime, and people actually cared about each other rather than just gabbled about it. It was NZ in the 50's and 60's.
And it nade NZ one of the top 5 Western countries by standard of living. Compare that to now.

[Ixion]

New Zealand society has become obsessed with "safety" to the point where it has become psychotic about it.

In the name of "safety" all that is interesting, exciting, fun, joyful is eliminated, by the gray, po faced brigade.

Life lived fully can never be completely safe, and thank goodness for it. In a society that is alive , vibrant, and caring there will be accidents. That is what they are. Accidents. Their victims are the price that we pay for being truely human.

In this case a tragic accident happened. A little girl died. That is sad, tragic, there is not a person in the country who would not undo that if they could

BUT: How many other little girls, and boys, now, in the past, and, I hope, in the future, have beamed with delight as they "help daddy", as they tackle a new and daunting task and succeed. And have NOT been hurt. How many little boys have whooped with delight as they swung on ropes, leaped off high places, and did all manner of dangerous things - things that "sensible" people should have prevented, becuse they were "unsafe" . Good heavens, some of those boys and girls even grew up and rode motorcycles - still whooping with excitement.

Leave the terrors and joy of childhood (and adulthood) alone , you Safety Nazis. You cannot wrap human kind in a gray dank blanket of prune faced "safety" without destroying all that is human in us.

[Finn]

Lou mate, you're wasting your time with these puppets. They are the sum total of years of social engineering. They don't have a single thought of their own and want the government to make all their decisions for them.

I can't beleive so many people on this site want more government control. It's no little wonder NZ is the laughing stock of the world.

[spudchucka]

Except that, regardless of penalty, that conviction would be with him for the rest of his life.
As he was quoted, What if he wanted to take his family to Disneyland? He couldn't with that conviction.
He also didn't want his kids to grow up and know that he'd been found guilty of killing their sister. That fact of her death is bad enough.

It didn't stop Sulon Pounsby or whatever his name is from going to the commonwealth games. He was responsible for the death, he has to live with that knowledge, equally if he'd been convicted he would have to live with the conviction. Either way its simply the consequences of his actions that he has to live with.

[Grahameeboy]

Firstly, his letter was real and he is a board member. That is the thinking that is current in that organisation. So if you think it's bollocks, pay more attention to what these people are saying.

What you mean follow your lead then? Are you really worried about what he thinks....it is just an over reaction media comment.......if the media had not gone to them, nothing would have been said

Secondly, the society I grew up in was not perfect. But it was healther, had less crime, and people actually cared about each other rather than just gabbled about it. It was NZ in the 50's and 60's.
And it nade NZ one of the top 5 Western countries by standard of living. Compare that to now.

Well compared to UK Lou NZ is still a free country...I guess it just depends on your mind set and to be honest things are really not significantly different now.....I think some people's mind sets are the problem.....the only constant is change and those who say "well in my day" are just looking at the negative changes and not looking at the positive changes which still outweigh the negatives.......all they are doing is living the past and not the present.......NZ is still a newish country and is still growing, people still care but with more people it is harder to see that, but it is there..... but if you really think that things are that bad then that is a shame cause I just cannot share that negative view........sorry Lou......life is to enjoy not destroy

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[Grahameeboy]

Lou mate, you're wasting your time with these puppets. They are the sum total of years of social engineering. They don't have a single thought of their own and want the government to make all their decisions for them.

I can't beleive so many people on this site want more government control. It's no little wonder NZ is the laughing stock of the world.

Bollocks Finn.....sorry found a bad bone.....it is nothing to do with Social Engineering but I agree that Lou is wasting his time.

I am not a conformist leper and all this thread is about, is responsibility. Most people make their own decisions and yes in this case a 4 year old kid dies.......there is nothing wrong in having accountability.

I do not want Govt control but on the other hand someone has too and we do get to vote so we do have some control....not 100% I accept.

NZ is not the laughing stock of the world for our values......look at the bigger picture.
Grrrrrr

[Krusti]

The kid was 4! 4 years old! Not a young adult or teenager, a 4 year old. Probably not even capable of crossing a street on his or her own.

What has happened to parental responsibility?

Just let the kids do what they want, she'll be right. Not my fault if my kids get hurt or die. They should have known better.

My kids were never wrapped in cotton wool but like hell was I going to put them directly at risk.

When my nephew was 4 he had a peewee 50. Was riding in front of pits at moto x. Hit head on by another bike, gear lever through his fore head and foot peg through roof of mouth. He could ride that bike but at his age had no idea of what to do to avoid a head on. His parents wished they had been keeping a closer eye on him! But at least he was having fun eh?

In the good old days my old man would never dreamed of leaving me in control of any machinery or horse at 4.

Leave our kids alone and let them loose,

What a load of bollucks.

[Grahameeboy]

The kid was 4! 4 years old! Not a young adult or teenager, a 4 year old. Probably not even capable of crossing a street on his or her own.

What has happened to parental responsibility?

Just let the kids do what they want, she'll be right. Not my fault if my kids get hurt or die. They should have known better.

My kids were never wrapped in cotton wool but like hell was I going to put them directly at risk.

When my nephew was 4 he had a peewee 50. Was riding in front of pits at moto x. Hit head on by another bike, gear lever through his fore head and foot peg through roof of mouth. He could ride that bike but at his age had no idea of what to do to avoid a head on. His parents wished they had been keeping a closer eye on him! But at least he was having fun eh?

In the good old days my old man would never dreamed of leaving me in control of any machinery or horse at 4.

Leave our kids alone and let them loose,

What a load of bollucks.

Yep, cannot understand the bollocks being posted by Finn or Lou on this one....sorry guys.....rep me if ya want, it will be well worth it

[Indoo]

Life lived fully can never be completely safe, and thank goodness for it. In a society that is alive , vibrant, and caring there will be accidents. That is what they are. Accidents. Their victims are the price that we pay for being truely human.

In this case a tragic accident happened. A little girl died. That is sad, tragic, there is not a person in the country who would not undo that if they could
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Nicely written but some accidents are also completely forseeable and completely preventable, I don't see how its in anyones interests to write them off as tragic unavoidable accidents when they aren't.

Life lived fully can never be completely safe which is true, but also why we take every opportunity to minimise that risks inherent in living that life.

Even if we didn't have laws about helmets, warrants of fitnesses etc would you and Lou be riding about on unwarrantable bikes with mechanical flaws while wearing a pair of shorts and without helmets? Or would you try to minimise the risk of riding a bike by wearing leathers, a helmet and ensuring your bike is safe to ride?

Is that wrapping life up in cottonwool or is it just taking basic measures to prevent death and maiming where it can be prevented. Its the same with the farmer if he had taken some basic simple measures to protect his daughter, like a father should do, then the daughter would still be alive and having fun today.

[Grahameeboy]

Nicely written but some accidents are also completely forseeable and completely preventable, I don't see how its in anyones interests to write them off as tragic unavoidable accidents when they aren't.

Life lived fully can never be completely safe which is true, but also why we take every opportunity to minimise that risks inherent in living that life.

Even if we didn't have laws about helmets, warrants of fitnesses etc would you and Lou be riding about on unwarrantable bikes with mechanical flaws while wearing a pair of shorts and without helmets? Or would you try to minimise the risk of riding a bike by wearing leathers, a helmet and ensuring your bike is safe to ride?

Is that wrapping life up in cottonwool or is it just taking basic measures to prevent death and maiming where it can be prevented. Its the same with the farmer if he had taken some basic simple measures to protect his daughter, like a father should do, then the daughter would still be alive and having fun today.

Funny how Lou and Finn dissappear when the going gets tough eh......geeze no wonder they cannot handle today's society.........eh lad when I lived in 'ole in ground, with li'tle 'ole in ground fur toilet....those were days, riding on cobbled roads t'bakers......them days w're 'ard

[Ixion]

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Even if we didn't have laws about helmets, warrants of fitnesses etc would you and Lou be riding about on unwarrantable bikes with mechanical flaws while wearing a pair of shorts and without helmets? Or would you try to minimise the risk of riding a bike by wearing leathers, a helmet and ensuring your bike is safe to ride?

Is that wrapping life up in cottonwool or is it just taking basic measures to prevent death and maiming where it can be prevented. Its the same with the farmer if he had taken some basic simple measures to protect his daughter, like a father should do, then the daughter would still be alive and having fun today.

Umm, I do recall as a young idiot (mind you, some people still call me that), blatting about on a BSA Bantam , (legally then) sans helmet, sans WoF (wouldn't have meant much anyway - no speedo , no indicators, no brake lights - or any other lights for that matter, none of 'em required by law, next to no brakes anyway). off road mostly, admittedly but we had to use the roads to get there. Not in shorts though, have you ever ridden through bush in shorts. Oucchy. We all did. We all survived.

No-one is suggesting that parents should not take care, and protect children from harm. Or that there are not some things that children are too young to handle.

But humans are frail, weak and prone to stuff up. Even the best of us. The very best parent in the world can make a tragic and terrible mistake. That doesn't make him a criminal who should be sent to prison. It makes him a human being. And such a tragedy should not be used as an excuse (as the "board member" bod was) to demand that all challenge and excitment be removed from children's (or adults! - why should kids have all the fun) lives. And , yes, that IS the inevitable result of attitudes like said board-bod's.

[Lou Girardin]

It didn't stop Sulon Pounsby or whatever his name is from going to the commonwealth games. He was responsible for the death, he has to live with that knowledge, equally if he'd been convicted he would have to live with the conviction. Either way its simply the consequences of his actions that he has to live with.

But he's a sportsman Spud, thereby having immunity from any consequences.
They even bailed another thug to go. This one committed a grievious assault while on bail for unlawful taking.
Play rep sport in NZ and you're sweet.

[Lou Girardin]

Is that wrapping life up in cottonwool or is it just taking basic measures to prevent death and maiming where it can be prevented. Its the same with the farmer if he had taken some basic simple measures to protect his daughter, like a father should do, then the daughter would still be alive and having fun today.

Where do you draw the line then?
Compulsion has been NZ Govts approach to everything for a good while now. It's gone past basic measures, it's now nanny state interference in most aspects of our lives.
Like some other site members I started riding when helmets weren't required and, surprise surprise, I didn't die. I speed and I haven't died. I've done a few things people would frown on and haven't died. Those that do are just natures culling of the herd.

BTW Grahameeboy, there's an awful lot of reference to bollocks. People are starting to talk.

[Grahameeboy]

Where do you draw the line then?
Compulsion has been NZ Govts approach to everything for a good while now. It's gone past basic measures, it's now nanny state interference in most aspects of our lives.
Like some other site members I started riding when helmets weren't required and, surprise surprise, I didn't die. I speed and I haven't died. I've done a few things people would frown on and haven't died. Those that do are just natures culling of the herd.

But Lou we are not talking about responsibility for ourselves, we are talking about responsibility for kids..........a big difference because you can make your own decisions whereas this 4 year old kid could not and relied on her Father to make decisions.

As for Nanny State........the only Nanny is you.....buy don't let us stop ya.