For COPS only

**froggyfrenchman** · 11th March 2006, 06:38

Originally Posted by sefer

Sorry, but I have to say when I saw that this guy was charged I thought "about time."
I'd challenge anyone on this site to do a little research and see exactly how many children a year are killed on NZ farms cause daddy thought having his kid out with him at his WORK, in a WORK situation, where there are a huge number of hazzards are was a great idea. Think about it, if your a machinest do you take your kid on to the shop floor with you? Let them operate the machines? Do taxi drivers let their kids drive their taxis around? Who would be responisble if your kid was hurt? Probably the owner or manager of where ever you work.

I work with kids everyday, all older than four, and the fact is that most kids have enough trouble co-ordernating their own bodies to get accross a room without falling over something or someone, so how is letting someone younger than that drive a heavy work vehicle a bright idea?

In the end I'm sure this was simply a charge laid in an attempt to get farmers in NZ to actually think about, and hopefully change their "she'll be right mate" attitudes, and hopefully the fact that a judge was sympathetic (as was expected I'm sure) doesn't undermine that.

Enough with the rant.

What you must remember is that its not just daddys work situation, these kids live on the farm and live all aspects of farming everyday. I grew up ona a farm, had my first motorcycle at 4, was allowed to ride the quads at 8 and was driving tractors by 10. Very common on our land. At my primary school, every kid there over 8 could drive a car without any dificulty at all, in form1, my job at 3pm was to walk 500m up the road and get the school bus, back into the school and wait for the principal and other kids. Also form 1, i was employed by the school to mow the lawns weekly, using a tractor and pto mower. Im not talking bout the good 'ole days... Im 19yo now.

It all comes down to the individual child, and how you have trained and supervised them. I knew i could thrash the shit out my bike, quads roll real easy, tractors are too slow to bother being stupid, mum would kill me if i crashed the car, not to thrash the bus and if i did anything stupid mowing the lawns i would loose my job.

I turned out ok....

never had the balls to drive any of these without asking though....

**Winston001** · 11th March 2006, 10:29

Lets imagine this little girl was at kindergarten instead of with her dad. And the kindergarten teacher allowed her to ride a 4 wheeler which had been donated, in a paddock out the back.

And the girl died.

Would the father have hugged the teacher and said "it was just an accident"? Would it be wrong for the teacher to be prosecuted?

**GIXser** · 11th March 2006, 12:17

Originally Posted by spudchucka

This message is hidden because WINJA is on your ignore list.

SPUD" you are a waste of space!!!

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**GIXser** · 11th March 2006, 12:21

Originally Posted by Hitcher

I hope that on the day you really need the Cops to do something for you, they're nowhere to be found. Get over yourself.

The Police had no option in this case but to prosecute. Arguably justice was done, but I disagree with the outcome on many levels, as noted in the other thread.

NOT you again you dribbling idiot !!,,, fuck off leave me alone, or should i say mr Officer"

**GIXser** · 11th March 2006, 12:24

Originally Posted by jaybee180

Gixxer you are a narrow minded git, and Lou you are so bitter and twisted your posts don't even warrant reading these days.

Don't you think the Police knew he would get off!!! Have a think about it!!!! And if at the end of the day this case SAVES one small soul from leaving this world due to the irresponsible actions of another then it will be all worth it!

Let's all pray that those out there take note and this is the end result!

Spare a thought for ALL of those involved. Do you really think the Police take any pleasure in picking up small bodies (or any bodies come to think of it) under any circumstances.

By the way I'll let the cop know who went out to scrap the body of a small child off the road this afternoon not to prosecute the driver (although he doesn't always have the final say anyway - not that "you who know it all" would even consider that fact) coz she's probably sorry it happened and didn't really mean to do it. Now I'm sure THAT will be a great comfort to the child's family!

We have ONE law for everyone - the jury decides - as they rightly did in this case.

is there nothing but f@#kin Bacon on this site!!!!!!

**Pillick** · 11th March 2006, 12:31

cant be bothered reading this, but christ, dont be such a munter. Its not so clear cut, letting a four year old girl ride a quad on her own over hilly terrain is neglegent. We dont know enough to say whether it should be charged as manslaughter, neither do the cops. It's just thier responsibility to put things in motion so that the decision can be made properly.

**spudchucka** · 11th March 2006, 12:56

Originally Posted by GIXser

SPUD" you are a waste of space!!!

, please end your life for us!!!!

And miss out on all of your insightful wisdom? Never! Lifes just far too ammusing with morons like you around to provide me with endless laughs.

**spudchucka** · 11th March 2006, 12:58

Originally Posted by GIXser

is there nothing but f@#kin Bacon on this site!!!!!!

No, theres a bunch of nice ordinary people who ride motorcycles too and a small number of total fucken idiots.

You are profoundly entrenched within the last group mentioned.

**Ixion** · 11th March 2006, 13:04

Originally Posted by GIXser

is there nothing but f@#kin Bacon on this site!!!!!!

Nah, that's gammon. F'instance, I've been told I'm a terrible ham. Don't want to egg you on though.

**GIXser** · 11th March 2006, 13:15

Originally Posted by spudchucka

No, theres a bunch of nice ordinary people who ride motorcycles too and a small number of total fucken idiots.

You are profoundly entrenched within the last group mentioned.

HMMM,, at least I have a bike!!!!!
and i would rather be in the idiots "club" as the other "nice ordinary people club" would have you in it "COme here Piggie piggie piggie........

read the paper this morning"

**GIXser** · 11th March 2006, 13:19

ps was it you i rode past two days ago at 284 clicks......... and you tried to chase me------PLEASE

also if ya gonna give me a "red" at least put your fuckin name with it ( it doesnt mean i will return a red, i might agree with "some" things you say believe it or not!!!) -- For you cops it must be dissapointing--- that there's no fine attached,,

**Winston001** · 11th March 2006, 13:24

There seems to be a general misunderstanding about the prosecution process.

When an event happens, the police officers involved write a report which is reviewed by a senior officer. The decision to prosecute is usually straight-forward. Has a crime been committed and is there sufficent evidence to identify the offender?

The prosecutions section are the experts and will knock back an over-enthusiastic constable.

In difficult cases, police prosecutors will consult their local Crown Solicitor. Alternatively they will refer the facts to the Police Legal Section in Wellington. The Helen Clark painting fraud was dealt with from there.

Any prosecution requires a prima facie case - ie. enough facts to raise an allegation in law that a crime has been committed. The Court allows the defendant to challenge the police case, and then makes a decision.

Basically the Police put up a set of facts, supporting a breach of the law, and the defendant (and sometimes the Judge) shoot it down.

**Pillick** · 11th March 2006, 13:28

...and if they dont set it up to be shot down, regardless of whatever sympathies they might have for the defendant, then they arent doing thier job.

**cowpoos** · 11th March 2006, 13:57

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

of course we shouldnt ban kids from everything but from driving 400cc king quad motorbikes that weight near on 400kg when they weigh 18kg, of course we should ban them from that its absolutley ridiculous!

the kingquad in question was a 300cc machine....they have low torque and low power motors but very high starting torque... they are geared very low to amplifly torque though... what surprise's me is those kingquads are the most stable farm quad I have ever owned...its not often one is rolled...and it is one of there few good points...be very interesting to know the full story of how the bike tipped over...and it would have been going slow...coz 4yr's can't reach gear leavers as those bikes a manual only.....Hmmmm

and for all intensive purposes they are a farm tool...like a tractor...chainsaw,etc.....and no kids shouldn't be aloud to operate them at all