Red lights are the new Stop signs?

[Lou Girardin]

I've seen this a couple of times but never by a biker.
Stop at the red - check both ways and go.
It's perfectly safe from a ticket point of view, I've never seen a cop at the intersection of Onewa and Sylvan. They're often 1/2 km up the Sylvan checking speeders.

[Grahameeboy]

I've seen this a couple of times but never by a biker.
Stop at the red - check both ways and go.
It's perfectly safe from a ticket point of view, I've never seen a cop at the intersection of Onewa and Sylvan. They're often 1/2 km up the Sylvan checking speeders.

So what are you saying?

In the States you can turn right at a red if clear which is not a bad idea....

[Sniper]

Red means Stop! Not go now, later or at any stage, it means stop.

[sAsLEX]

Some of the light phases around the shore are bordering on insane so I often do the stop check for the 5-0 and traffic and go, waiting on a red arrow for 5 mins while there is no oncoming traffic etc is just dumb

[Lazy7]

its a bit tricky on a bike sometimes, if you are at the front of a queue waiting for your green right turn arrow and your bike isn't heavy enough to set off the censors so you miss your phase.

i was sitting at the lights waiting to turn right one day and realised my bike wasn't triggering the lights so i moved forward a bit and signaled the car behind me to move up and over the pad.

little asian girl had NO IDEA what i was doing, but sometimes you got to do what you got to do.

running reds is a dumb idea. give up all your rights if you cause or are in an accident.

[Grahameeboy]

Some of the light phases around the shore are bordering on insane so I often do the stop check for the 5-0 and traffic and go, waiting on a red arrow for 5 mins while there is no oncoming traffic etc is just dumb

Sorry guys but it is "Red" which means STOP.........

[sAsLEX]

Sorry guys but it is "Red" which means STOP.........

Laws need to be reasonable to be obeyed, Now I am not saying that I run every red I see, just that some of the phasing around this town is down right ludicrous *sp* . Its not dangerous to turn on a red arrow when you can see 1km up the road on the opposite side, and see that it is empty, its illegal but hell I am seldom not doing something wrong according to the law

[Grahameeboy]

Laws need to be reasonable to be obeyed, Now I am not saying that I run every red I see, just that some of the phasing around this town is down right ludicrous *sp* . Its not dangerous to turn on a red arrow when you can see 1km up the road on the opposite side, and see that it is empty, its illegal but hell I am seldom not doing something wrong according to the law

You you Lawbreaker you....but seriously though I see where you are coming from but there is no point complaining about cagers doing things if we do not set an example......I mean what if some cager sees you doing it and then one day thinks the road ahead is clear does the same thing and hit's a motorcyclist that he didn't see....or thinks he has time to pull cross of.

Wash your bike you scoundrel....

[Finn]

I do it all the time. Car or bike. I need to remind myself everyday that I'm not a conformist and that I'll decide when it's safe to go and not a little filament or worse, a bureaucrat.

Between Council and Transit, they're just installing traffic lights hap hazardly in Auck with absolutely no thought to timing or synchronisation. The right turn on a red in California is a great example of smart thinking seldome found in NZ authorities.

Oh yeah, and for those of you who say "Red mean stop", I would add also that "Green means GO!!!" What is it with kiwi's? They all complain about the traffic and yet in rush hour they get a green, look down at the gear lever, stick it in 1st and then it's a competitiion to see who can take off the slowest. Stupid islanders.

[sAsLEX]

Wash your bike you scoundrel....

I have no prob with cages doing, I do it in mine, but I do ensure bloody well that the coast is clear before going.

I nearly got sideswiped the other day after a lady came through a red a couple of sec after my green phase, was unsighted to the right where she came from due to road set up but spidy senses told me to just hang on a bit before going, I gave her a fair fright though!

oh no need it rained just the other day!

[Lou Girardin]

Some of the light phases around the shore are bordering on insane so I often do the stop check for the 5-0 and traffic and go, waiting on a red arrow for 5 mins while there is no oncoming traffic etc is just dumb

Yeah, red arrows are a different thing. It's our duty as citizens to ignore the phasings set by some anal-retentive retard at NSCC

[sAsLEX]

Yeah, red arrows are a different thing. It's our duty as citizens to ignore the phasings set by some anal-retentive retard at NSCC

the other thing is the pedestrian phase is crazy long, a bloody slug could evolve and then walk across in the time they last for! Now I have watched an old guy with a walking frame get across the diagonal at a set of lights as slow as buggery and still got across half way through the phase

[Finn]

Yeah, red arrows are a different thing. It's our duty as citizens to ignore the phasings set by some anal-retentive retard at NSCC

Having done some work for NSCC Lou, I can say that a lot of them aren't anally rentitive if you know what I mean. Stupid, uneducated, institutionalised, bad dress sense, ugly, narrow mined, low IQ yes, but I'd say they'd be quite partial to a bit of sausage.

[Lou Girardin]

I do it all the time. Car or bike. I need to remind myself everyday that I'm not a conformist and that I'll decide when it's safe to go and not a little filament or worse, a bureaucrat.

What cage do you have again?
Has it got any mirrors left on it?

It's funny though, how all the nit-picky irrational road safety measures turn us into law-breakers. I would never have considered passing on yellow lines once. Now the proliferation of them in totally inappropriate places makes you ignore them. (on a bike that is)

[Grahameeboy]

I do it all the time. Car or bike. I need to remind myself everyday that I'm not a conformist and that I'll decide when it's safe to go and not a little filament or worse, a bureaucrat.

Between Council and Transit, they're just installing traffic lights hap hazardly in Auck with absolutely no thought to timing or synchronisation. The right turn on a red in California is a great example of smart thinking seldome found in NZ authorities.

Oh yeah, and for those of you who say "Red mean stop", I would add also that "Green means GO!!!" What is it with kiwi's? They all complain about the traffic and yet in rush hour they get a green, look down at the gear lever, stick it in 1st and then it's a competitiion to see who can take off the slowest. Stupid islanders.

You need to remind yourself!!

I guess the choice is yours Finn and no one can take that away from you...except a car when you run a red light I guess.....