Our riding.

**DEATH_INC.** · 18th April 2004, 12:34

People on this site seem to have issues about us having fun while riding.
Lets get all the whinging and moaning out of the way.

In our defense I'd like to say,
(1)Both myself and Sam have many years experience riding.
(2) We both consider others when we're doing our wheelies ect.
(3)We're also both well in control,and actually know what we're doing.

As for the others that crashed,neither of them have any problems with it,so why does everyone else?The first guy mis-judged a corner,it happens,the second hit a patch of metal.Shit happens.
Ryans chain coming off wasn't a big issue,Why are people trying to make it one?
I think most who came with us had a good time and enjoyed themselves,only the sourpusses who didn't seem to have issues.
Sorry,but if this is the sort of crap we're gonna get everytime we have you guys riding with us,it's not gonna happen again.

**Kickaha** · 18th April 2004, 12:46

It's a question of perspective one persons fun to another is irresponsibilty

Just because someone has been riding for years doesn't make them a good rider,when's the last time you heard anyone admit they're a crap rider and aren't in control

(I'm not saying you aren't)

From the group rides I used to do there is a fine line between having fun and being downright dangerous,and there were groups I was very wary of riding with because of that.

**andy1** · 18th April 2004, 14:29

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**jimbo600** · 18th April 2004, 14:52

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

People on this site seem to have issues about us having fun while riding.
Lets get all the whinging and moaning out of the way.

In our defense I'd like to say,
(1)Both myself and Sam have many years experience riding.
(2) We both consider others when we're doing our wheelies ect.
(3)We're also both well in control,and actually know what we're doing.

As for the others that crashed,neither of them have any problems with it,so why does everyone else?The first guy mis-judged a corner,it happens,the second hit a patch of metal.Shit happens.
Ryans chain coming off wasn't a big issue,Why are people trying to make it one?
I think most who came with us had a good time and enjoyed themselves,only the sourpusses who didn't seem to have issues.
Sorry,but if this is the sort of crap we're gonna get everytime we have you guys riding with us,it's not gonna happen again.

Having fun on your bike, pulling wheelies and riding irresponsibly? That what I thought bikes were made for. Keep up the good work I say.

**k14** · 18th April 2004, 14:56

I have no problem with your riding DEATH. I never saw you out of control when you were doing your stunting and it was awesome.

Good stuff, keep it up.

**Ms Piggy** · 18th April 2004, 15:39

I went away & got some brain food and had a think about this debate.

Who is responsible when someone bins on a group ride?

Hmmmmmmm, is it the experienced riders who can do pop wheelies & ride really fast & takes corners at speeds that would make me pee myself?

OR

Is it the rider themselves, who for whatever reason may take a corner too fast etc, etc.

I mean we are all, at one time or another, influenced by people around us wether we like it or not and our actions can & do influence others to make bad or good decisions.

Maybe it's a combination of both? Maybe it's having clear guidelines. There was a lot of discussion after the Easter Ride from Wellington about what could be done to possibly prevent that sort of thing happening again.

Ummmm...of course in saying all this I'm not riding at the moment b/c I binned! And I'm also a very inexperienced rider.

At the end of that day though it's all good if you can learn from your stuff ups, be it braking too hard in the wet (I'll try no to do that again!), not taking a corner or losing your chain, and of course as long as noone is hurt surely it's all good.

As far as reinforcing the general cager population attitudes against riders...not sure really. People who believe stereotypes are normally the biggest dorks out in my book.

**wkid_one** · 18th April 2004, 16:08

Yeah - hooning riders!!....I was watching this rider come around a corner on the Rimutakas with his knee down through my drivers side window as a drifted around the corner......

I personally couldn't give a fuck how people ride...wheelies, stoppies etc - I was just stirring. I have sat and watched as guys who found a nice hump in the road out by the Lakes decided that video taping wheelies would be a good idea. Quite amusing. I have also seen the aftermath of a 'wheelie exhibition' that went horribly bad.......again quite amusing. I have also travelled the same corner a number of times to see who could leave the longest knee slider mark.

Ride your socks off......who cares....

**Zed** · 18th April 2004, 16:23

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

People on this site seem to have issues about us having fun while riding.
Lets get all the whinging and moaning out of the way.

Sorry,but if this is the sort of crap we're gonna get everytime we have you guys riding with us,it's not gonna happen again.

Dude, if the general consensus from the group who went riding yesterday was that you had an awesome days motorcycling, what does it really matter what anyone else says- especially those who were absent? :sneaky2:

Others do have a right on these forums to vent their opinions however negative they may be, even if their only evidence for critisicm is a mere photograph! They are only words on a screen after all, no need to take them too seriously.

I myself can appreciate controlled stunts, etc, under the right conditions (track & road), and from what I have been told you guys made the day that much more exciting!

Zed

**wkid_one** · 18th April 2004, 16:27

Gotta agree with Zed - you ride for you, not everyone else. Who cares what anyone else thinks - do what you need to do to get your jollies....just don't get caught.

**Zed** · 18th April 2004, 16:32

Originally Posted by wkid_one

...I was just stirring...

Who then, I ask, can take you seriously man?

Cincinnati, you often have to clarify to KB whether you were stirring/joking or being serious about a previous message you posted- is not this the sign of a double-minded individual!

Zed

**wkid_one** · 18th April 2004, 16:34

That is the enjoyment factor - people not knowing......

Everyone should have learnt by now that there is very little that I am serious about......if I can play devils advocate I will......I just like arguing. This board would be hellishly boring if everyone just agreed with everyone......plus because of rampant sabotage...I have 27 positive rep points to get rid of.

**Zed** · 18th April 2004, 16:43

Originally Posted by wkid_one

That is the enjoyment factor - people not knowing......

Everyone should have learnt by now that there is very little that I am serious about......if I can play devils advocate I will......I just like arguing. This board would be hellishly boring if everyone just agreed with everyone......plus because of rampant sabotage...I have 27 positive rep points to get rid of.

Like you say "life is a game" to you! :spudwhat:

I dare say that one day you will have a rude awakening and figure out that honesty is the best policy.

Zed

**claire** · 18th April 2004, 17:13

I didn't partake in the ride and have been amused reading the posts about the aftermath, but people complaining. Whatever!! If they weren't comfortable on the ride or weren't happy with the way the people taking part were riding, thats their problem. I liken it to people complaining about whats on TV but still sit there watching. No one is holding a gun to their head and making them do it!!!

As a less experienced rider I wanted to do a Poker Run. I only did two stops because an ignoramous on a Harley tried to go up the inside of me when I pulled over to the left to let him past - not a nice feeling I can tell you. Instead of complaining to anyone who would listen I left the Run and did my own ride and had a great day. Maybe the complainers should do that to - go and do their own rides with who they're comfortable riding with.

Claire

**Two Smoker** · 18th April 2004, 18:15

Yeah Death Inc dont listen to the few people out there saying "blah blah blah unsafe" it was obvious from the video that Sam was under complete control and the road was absolutely clear in both directions for km's........ I say

Its very impressive to see these stunts in the right conditions with the right rider.....

AS for the people saying it is bad....... look at the video and see for yourself whether it was unsafe or not....