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    I have a vision*

    Utopia.
    I looked it up just to make sure i have the right definition. yeah, I know, Wikipedia ain't 'definitive' - but for the sake of this exercise:
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    Utopian, in its most common and general positive meaning, refers to the human efforts to create a better, or perhaps perfect society. Ideas which could/are considered able to radically change our world are often called utopian ideas.

    "Utopian" in a negative meaning is used to discredit ideas as too advanced, too optimistic or unrealistic, impossible to realize. Hence, for example, the use by Marxists, of such expressions as "utopian socialism".

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    After 1 BRONZ meeting and half a dozen emails I now put forward my highly qualified, enlightened take.

    What I observed last night at AKL BRONZ was half a dozen enthusiastic and diligent souls doing some good work in the rider training and charity fields and have achieved some 'statutory' results too, but pretty much, a few swimming against the tide.

    My utopian vision is of a 'motorcycle lobby' with a self funding professional advocate lobbying the govt and making appropriate submissions on behalf of motorcyclists on matters like traffic laws, road construction, loose seal killing us, cell phone safety, etc etc etc. under whatever is the most appropriate banner - BRONZ has my vote so far.

    Writing and researching these submissions would be a part time gig because the other half would be spent chasing the funding and grants that ACC, LTNZ etc put out - to pay for it all.

    Just like I bet the AA, Fulton Hogan, Dept of Works ACC and all the other interested parties have.
    For all I know there may already be someone doing it?

    The reality
    Is a small contingent of under resourced enthusiasts lurching between submission deadlines and commendably picking up what they can. Their efforts are above reproach - the fact that there is so few of them is not.

    I'm going to help 'em out with a bit of PR and design work. I knows some folks that knows some folks....and see if I can get it supported/tabled at the Importers Association and the halls of the Industry.

    I also have this foggy idea of identifying the process of how Land Transit makes laws and what consultative process are in place - and how motorcyclists can best voice their needs and concerns - as some sort of feature in Kiwi Rider. (The WIIFM)

    Unfortunately sussing out how LTNZ makes laws seems to be even foggier.

    Fortunately since I penned the first part of this note the response to those emails has been a bit staggering. Some influential people have stepped up. Watch this space.

    In the meantime Support BRONZ - I joined last night - They do some good shit.

    Some of you senior KB members - step over here please - if we all do a little bit we might make a difference.

    Take it forward suggestions welcome.

    Bernstein.


    (Elmer)

    *and slight stigmatism from staring at phosphor screens.

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    So did Martin Luther King and look were it got him.

    But seriously, good job. I might tag along to the next meeting.

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    bugger, forgot that was on..

    I think we should do everything possible to get someone (at least) in an important spot in the government gaff, who will listen to Kiwi bikers (no, not just us) and be seen to be doing an active role, not just someone with a title and business card.


    Anything I can do (and I'm sure many others will agree) to get this person(s) stated and elected, just say what, and we'll do it.

    The sooner it's done, the sooner we get a decent voice on the roads for us.

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    The LTNZ drafts policy for Govt minions to translate into legalese. Which then goes through Parliamentary process. (Select committees etc.)
    Or they use discretionary powers of "the Director" to make/change regulations on their own initiative. eg. varying speed limits.
    Speed doesn't kill people.
    Stupidity kills people.

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    Do BRONZ have the balls though ? I have to admit this is a somewhat unfair aspersion, because , although I am a member, I haven't managed to get to any meetings - not for want of trying , but Wednesdays are never a good day for me and somehow their Wednesday ahs always conflicted with other stuff. I will try. But my perception is of a bunch of people shuffling timidly forward , with a "um , ah , excuse me, um , see we're motorcylists , and um ,ah , - oh , right , OK then , I'll just have another latte then".

    I have some experience at dealing with quangos and governmental tomnoddies , and whilst outright agression does not work, a certain assertiveness (coupled with an ability to stir shit if iognored) , is.

    They do excellent work with the RideSafe stuff - but are they up for more than respectful submissions?

    I'm very happy (nay, desireous) of being told I've got the wrong end of the stick.

    BTW, don't know if you know it, but a number of the original founder members of BRONZ, back when it decidedly DID have balls, are members of KB. They got shafted and screwed over a few years ago, and gave up in disgust. But if it's action that's wanted they know whereof they might speak, and might be willing to share experience and tips.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    How do one sign up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    I'm very happy (nay, desireous) of being told I've got the wrong end of the stick.
    You have.
    I went along to the meeting too and Dave and I extended their meeting for some considerable time throwing our ideas at them. They had tried every one ( plus more we hadn't thought of ) and gave detailed reports of their approach & the results they got. Believe me these guys have tried & are trying everything.
    They freely admitted that just because something didn't work in the past that doesn't mean it won't work now but it needs some fresh members with new enthusiasm to make it happen.
    THEY ALSO NEED SOME SUPPORT FROM THE INDUSTRY - BIKE DEALERS etc. which they are not getting. It makes you wonder whether bike dealers have the long term interest ( safety ) of their clients at heart.
    Did I join ??? - no not yet. I have taken on a racing committment which takes up much of my spare time but I will become an active member later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma51
    How do one sign up?
    And when is the next one?
    Only a man who knows what it is like to be defeated can reach down to the bottom of his soul and come up with the extra ounce of power it takes to win when the match is even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texmo
    And when is the next one?
    Nice one guys.
    Next is a month from last night.
    Details are on the KB events calendar. keep an eye on that.

    Ixion - double dare you to come to the next one - or I'm buying you an apron.
    Now print this off and show it to your missus.

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    Tis not the missus is the problem on Wednesday's . If I can I'll come.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma51
    How do one sign up?

    good question - mine was spur of the moment at the meeting.
    web site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion
    Tis not the missus is the problem on Wednesday's . If I can I'll come.
    i know i was just wraggin'. - timidly shuffling forward as I do

    chaaaaarrrrrrrrgge!

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    Here. print form, fill in , post with money.
    http://www.bronz.org.nz/Membership/m...pplication.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    Their website is probably a good indicator

    Short Cut to latest postings by date:

    Annual General Meeting for National Committee
    General Meeting for National Committee

    Presidents Report September 2004
    New Submissions to LTSA and ACC

    BRONZ Auckland Minutes August 2004

    Presidents Report August :2004
    Rain” is a four—letter Word by Robert Vaughan


    Cold Kiwi details
    Get ready for that Cold Kiwi ride
    Now get the Gloves

    Auckland May meeting Minutes
    Presidents June Report
    Tyre Tales
    Bikers Words
    latest news is 2004.
    Quote Originally Posted by skidmark
    This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
    The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) “goodies” to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer

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    not knowing much about alot stuff, how big is bronz as in member numbers?
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