Fuckin child support

[Psalm42]

unfortunetly people do break up, nothing like a knife implanted in oneself to encourage that eh ?

Why is her income not assesed ? its alot more than mine

Why is the fact that I have him every other weekend not considered ?

Why is the fact I have him for holidays not considered ?

Are you willing to fight IRD?
IRD only need two things to determine how it all works out....
One primary caregiver... HER
One payer... YOU.
You are right, they will shaft you cause you are the payer. Even with equal shared care custody, I know of guys still being billed for child support, when they have there children week on week off. A smack down the middle 50/50. Even chirstmas con day is half. IRD still bill him for child support.

My sugestion to you is, if you are willing to fight, it can be showen how you can get to the minimum amount throught IRD, then as your spouse is not on dpb, she will quickly come to you and be willing to discuss a private arrangement to get more than the 12 bucks or whatever the minimum is. It will put you in a better negotiating position. Then you can have her supply info showing actual costs and inconveniances she has due to the primary caregiveing position she is currently in and you can offer to have your Son more often to relieve her of that. And she will have on paper some costs you can call down the middle. You will of course then deduct the half cost you carry on the times you have your Son.

[ManDownUnder]

Just to clarify..

Does the recipient actually get all of the amount paid by the partner, or does IRD somehow get a cut/credit/processing fee?

[Swoop]

To quote WINJA... "up the bum = no babies"....

and obviously no financial responsibilities either.

[Psalm42]

Just to clarify..

Does the recipient actually get all of the amount paid by the partner, or does IRD somehow get a cut/credit/processing fee?

Depends on wether or not the partner is on a benifit

[ManDownUnder]

Depends on wether or not the partner is on a benifit

ok - ta. Was just wonderin' how much the state was benefitting from this stupid arrangement.

[Psalm42]

ok - ta. Was just wonderin' how much the state was benefitting from this stupid arrangement.

Not forgetting thats on top of the 50 to 60% the state gets from you normaly.

Child support payers get well and truly screwed. Cause 50 to 60% isnt well and truly screwed. Its not until your over 61% that your getting shafted...

[MSTRS:Me]

Not forgetting thats on top of the 50 to 60% the state gets from you normaly.

Child support payers get well and truly screwed. Cause 50 to 60% isnt well and truly screwed. Its not until your over 61% that your getting shafted...

Where do you get those % from??
Child support is worked out thusly....
Your gross income minus 'allowable' expenses - 18% of what is left for one child, 24% for 2 or more. Unless it has recently changed, any income you have over $60k gross is not subject to to this 'tax'

[Quasievil]

any income you have over $60k gross is not subject to to this 'tax'

err yes it is mate, keeps gong, doesnt stop at $60k I can assure you of that.

I just picked up me boy so Im good now, thanks all for your comments, I will fight again on Monday !!!!

[Ixion]

Stops at $97000 odd it seems.

here be the rules :
http://www.ird.govt.nz/childsupport/...ula.html#step1

[MSTRS:Me]

Oh bugger. Must have changed fairly recently then. What about the minimum?? Used to be $10pw regardless of income.
Have a superb w/e with your young fella - it does help with perspective.

[Ixion]

Minimum is $707 per year. even if you have no income. Dunno how that works.

[yungatart]

Quasi, that sucks ! I've been both sides of the child support thing and I can say that no matter what side you're on, you'll be screwed. The easiest option is a private agreement - if your ex will play nice, that is. I wish you luck. fighting red tape/bureaucracy is a thankless task.
Go have a good w/e with your boy-after all, he is the important part of this.

[SPman]

Labour basically

And did the Nats do anything about it - like fuck.
Im in a mens group and there are guys there whos second relationships are being fucked because of exorbitant amounts being bled out - like 60% of after tax income, when they are supporting a new partner and child. Levy -(which DOESNT go to the children - it goes to the tax dept!) based on one years very good earnings several years ago, when he now earns less than half the amount.

[MSTRS:Me]

Tell your mate to go for a review, if your income has dropped, the CS payments will too, they may not have a pulse but they are not totally heartless..

[Psalm42]

Where do you get those % from??
Child support is worked out thusly....
Your gross income minus 'allowable' expenses - 18% of what is left for one child, 24% for 2 or more. Unless it has recently changed, any income you have over $60k gross is not subject to to this 'tax'

The 60k issue has been answered.

The 50 to 60% I talk of is the amount of direct and indirect taxes most people pay normaly with out issues like childsupport.

20 to 40 % income tax, 12.5 % on everything you spend, not for getting the GST you pay on other taxes like gas, smokes, booze, rates etc.
Then there is the taxes on your vises, I dont know exact numbers anymore, I guess its 50 to 60 cents on gas, 6 bucks per pack, as for booze its got to be high. Last time I was in maylasia a bottle of single malt cost me $28 nz. Costs me $120 here. So lets call it 40% booze tax. When you add all the hidden taxes up you will find it adds up to the 50 to 60% mark.

Its been a while since I did the actual caluculations. Try it for yourself..