Our riding.

**SPman** · 18th April 2004, 18:59

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

In our defense I'd like to say,
.............
Sorry,but if this is the sort of crap we're gonna get everytime we have you guys riding with us,it's not gonna happen again.

You dont need any defense, Death.
It was the most enjoyable, laid back, cohesive ride, I've been on for some time.

Yea, we'll go riding with you again, if you'll let us. Only next time we dont tell no one, nothing!

**dangerous** · 18th April 2004, 19:15

HAY now as I wasent there I can not make comment, HOWEVER if some of you are weiring KB shirts and the public find out who we/you are and you are crashing twice in one day and putting on stunt shows (which can turn to custard.... hell even the SBK & GP riders get it wrong) then WE do NOT want to get ourselves a bad rep with the public.... comprende!

MY bitch would be aimed more at the likes of mr "andy1" the post above (#3) is NOT neaded in MY books there is nothing there worthy of posting the language is certinly not needed and comments like that are a wast of this boards space.
Call me an old fuddy duddy and tell me to bugger off if you want, but how about you show a little RESPECT for the religo's

and women etc that use this board IMHO.

next please.......

**Zed** · 18th April 2004, 19:31

Originally Posted by SPman

...Only next time we dont tell no one, nothing!

Cmon SPman, just cos some people choose to post a few negative comments doesn't mean anything should change necessarily! It would be a great loss if there were no reports given about KB rides for fear of criticism.

Keep up the good (& bad) reports pleeeeease!...& those great pics too.

Zed

**SPman** · 18th April 2004, 19:40

Originally Posted by Zed

Keep up the good (& bad) reports pleeeeease!...& those great pics too.
Zed

OK............

**wkid_one** · 18th April 2004, 21:28

Originally Posted by Zed

Like you say "life is a game" to you! :spudwhat:

I dare say that one day you will have a rude awakening and figure out that honesty is the best policy.

Zed

Unfortunately Zed - one day you will also learn that life IS a game - there are winners and losers....it isn't as PC as your handbook would suggest.

I am not being dishonest - merely taking alternative pov's to get some decent discussion going on here. As I said before - this board is inane when everyone just agrees with everyone. Playing devils advocate is not being dishonest - merely disruptive.

SP - did anyone get any video of the wheelie.

**Posh Tourer :P** · 18th April 2004, 21:51

Originally Posted by Celtic_Sea_lily

I went away & got some brain food and had a think about this debate.
Who is responsible when someone bins on a group ride?
Hmmmmmmm, is it the experienced riders who can do pop wheelies & ride really fast & takes corners at speeds that would make me pee myself?
OR
Is it the rider themselves, who for whatever reason may take a corner too fast etc, etc.
I mean we are all, at one time or another, influenced by people around us wether we like it or not and our actions can & do influence others to make bad or good decisions.
Maybe it's a combination of both? Maybe it's having clear guidelines. There was a lot of discussion after the Easter Ride from Wellington about what could be done to possibly prevent that sort of thing happening again.
As far as reinforcing the general cager population attitudes against riders...not sure really. People who believe stereotypes are normally the biggest dorks out in my book.

Well said CSL.....

(note here I agree with CSL, but I dont want to associate what she said with what I am about to say in the rest of the post. I just thought that was one of the best posts on the subject so far)

I suspect my original post on the other thread kicked this all off to an extent. I would like to add a couple of things to the discussion. Firstly, my idea of a good ride is where everyone has a good time, and gets to push the limits of the bike/rider in some way. However, at the same time, I dont think that, out of the 20?? (I dont know I think this was roughly the number) bikes, 2 bins sounds like a responsible ride. If I was to bin a bike, say 10% of the times I rode it, I would seriously think about how I was riding. I know the rest of the riders didnt bin it, and some probably do very very rarely. But this sort of outcome that has happened on the past two big rides organised. No reflection on the organisers, or most of the riders. I am however, thinking very carefully about whether I go out on a kiwibiker organised ride, as it seems that some of the people who attend are not what I would, in my biased opinion, call sensible riders. I dont think I would enjoy going if I felt obliged to stop 2-3 times each ride to help someone who has had an accident.

I know that each incident hasnt been soul destroying for the individuals involved, and that there were mitigating circumstances in each case. BUT I would say, as a general viewpoint, and not directed specifically at *anyone* on the coromandel loop ride, that leaving a safety margin at most times, ie not riding the bike to its limits all the time, seems to me to be the best way to ride. Given the recent spate of bins being reported on here, I'm wondering if I'm in a minority in thinking this. I would like to ride with a group of people with a similar philosophy, as it isnt much fun watching a whole lot of people who ride faster than you would like to take off and have to wait for you to catch up later. I know I would feel like I am cramping their style, and I certainly wouldnt be chasing them, even if I felt it was possible.

My original post was an attempt to point out that there have been a huge number of bins reported recently, and I was wondering where the rides were for slower buggers like me who dont want to accept that frequency of accidents as part and parcel of motorcycling. Is it, infact, worth going on rides with people out there that I dont know? I was planning on going out on one of these more publicised rides, to meet a few people and see how these sportsbikes go against my tourer, but I dont think I will, given what I've heard over the past few weeks. I'll stick to riding with people I know, and find out how well my brother's "new" '91 ZXR400 goes instead.

I am coming along to Puke this friday, cos I believe that the racetrack is one place where you can push your bike to the limit, and lose that safety margin. I'm looking forward to seeing some good, quick riding in the place where it ought to be (and looking forward to seeing TS stick it to some of the bigger bikes on his little (nicely repainted) sewing machine). I presume I'll see a fair few of you there, feel free to come up and chat/argue with me (I do enjoy a good argument....)

Peace and love and kindness,

Posh

**Motoracer** · 18th April 2004, 21:56

Death, Draco and mates, I have ridden with yous once and I must say... You folks are really nice and good, on and off the road.

I was really impressed with your wheelies as well Death. They look fucking awesome.

Today, for the first time I wheelied a roadbike (other than the FXR). That R1 has really boosted my confidence with wheelies. I have even started clutching it up in 1st on my 600. I'd be stoked if after lotsa practice I become half as good as you and your mate Sam.

**Holy Roller** · 18th April 2004, 22:12

Originally Posted by wkid_one

Unfortunately Zed - one day you will also learn that life IS a game - there are winners and losers....it isn't as PC as your handbook would suggest.

To right wkid_one there are winners and losers but our handbook is anything but PC

**andy1** · 18th April 2004, 22:16

yes, (dangerous) my post was NOT needed and i am very sorry everyone.
i fixed it and i will never post again. :confused2

**Lord Pac** · 18th April 2004, 22:19

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

People on this site seem to have issues about us having fun while riding.
Lets get all the whinging and moaning out of the way.

In our defense I'd like to say,
(1)Both myself and Sam have many years experience riding.
(2) We both consider others when we're doing our wheelies ect.
(3)We're also both well in control,and actually know what we're doing.

Good on ya!!

its your prerogative.
You know the risks, you're adults
Its a free country!

safe

**Draco** · 18th April 2004, 22:22

Originally Posted by Motoracer

Death, Draco and mates, I have ridden with yous once and I must say... You folks are really nice and good, on and off the road.

I was really impressed with your wheelies as well Death. They look fucking awesome.

Today, for the first time I wheelied a roadbike (other than the FXR). That R1 has really boosted my confidence with wheelies. I have even started clutching it up in 1st on my 600. I'd be stoked if after lotsa practice I become half as good as you and your mate Sam.

Cheers Motoracer, the feedback we've had from everyone who joined us has been wonderful. Glad 2 hear your getting those wheelies sussed

i'm green with envy

**Holy Roller** · 18th April 2004, 22:26

Originally Posted by andy1

i am very sorry everyone.
i fixed it and i will never post again. :confused2

Don't be too hard on yourself, you have valuable contributions to be made. Wisdom may be needed at times but as a tee shirt said... To be old and wise .... first you have to be young and stupid

( Note this is in generic terms not implying anything really)
I'm sure that some of my views are not well recieved but as the TV add states "first you have to know me before you judge me" I just may be one of those 1 in 5 NZers.

**Zed** · 18th April 2004, 22:29

Originally Posted by wkid_one

Unfortunately Zed - one day you will also learn that life IS a game - there are winners and losers....it isn't as PC as your handbook would suggest.

I am not being dishonest - merely taking alternative pov's to get some decent discussion going on here. As I said before - this board is inane when everyone just agrees with everyone. Playing devils advocate is not being dishonest - merely disruptive.

When they lock you up for going too far with your "life is a game" philosophy Wkid, don't expect a "get out of jail free" card mate!

Zed