Our riding.

[johno]

This is a pretty interesting discussion. I have been on two rides in the last 12 months where a rider went down. I am convinced inexperience plays a part, but also the mis-match of riding ability can cause pressure, especially if you are inexpeienced. I am quicker than some, but there are a lot quicker than me. I feel frustrated when riding with really slow guys. (Can't help it, it sucks). I have also felt the pressure when riding with faster guys, and I have had to back off when I have got out of my comfort zone. It is never perfect, but I think it is much more enjoyable to ride with people of similar ability and enjoy doing the things you do. I think that is why most of us ride with a few friends who we are familiar with. KiwiBiker site is a good way to get to know more riders.

[BigB]

Hi All

I have been on many KB rides, didn't go on this one due to bike in shop. Have only seen one person bin and that was due to the road conditions.

But the one thing that's always been said at the start of the ride is "RIDE AT YOUR OWN PACE" the faster guys will always wait and never complain about it. These rides are a great way of meeting other bikers and I hope people don't get put off riding in these groups. Accidents do happen thats way they are called ACCIDENTS.

anyway that's just my point of view.

[wkid_one]

When they lock you up for going too far with your "life is a game" philosophy Wkid, don't expect a "get out of jail free" card mate!


Zed

I wasn't referring to Monopoly Zed

My 'quote' refers to a comment made in Bill Gate's book.

You make choices (I don't believe pre-determined) based partly on experience and partly on luck.....you either win or lose....however where you end up at the end of it has nothing to do with winning or losing - but how you played the game along the way.

Zed, you of all people should be ameniable to this quote - as based on your handbook - we are mere chess pieces at the mercy of your Deity. What bigger game could you want.

[wkid_one]

To right wkid_one there are winners and losers but our handbook is anything but PC

True it places woman in a subservient position, men in a dominant position, people of the clergy above all and only under God -and anyone who doesn't believe in God or worse still believes in another a heathen

[SPman]

Ooh goody, we're back on religion.......that's a nice safe subject

[Ms Piggy]

True it places woman in a subservient position, men in a dominant position, people of the clergy above all and only under God -and anyone who doesn't believe in God or worse still believes in another a heathen

Nah you're getting the bible & some branches of organised religion mixed up. That's what some believe or interpret the bible as saying. The bible itself has some good stuff & some pretty odd stuff too! There are some people who state to know what it means that twist it all around to suit the climate of the day.

But I'm a pagan so what would I know

[DEATH_INC.]

yes, (dangerous) my post was NOT needed and i am very sorry everyone.
i fixed it and i will never post again. :confused2

Don't be put off posting what you think .
I think that a bit more constructive critisism is all that's required .......
Don't be shy to voice your opinion,just try to get yer facts right and try to be clear on what yer trying to say .

[KATWYN]

Well, when I see 3 - 4 bikes all pulling mono's down the motorway
it looks way cool, and to keep the front up for ages must take heaps of skill.
The most I have ever done,is to practice stoppies on the R6.
I have had the back wheel up off the ground about half to a foot only, (big deal no doubt) but it felt really good to acheive it.

From another perspective,I think that some of
us in this forum have experienced some tragic, horrifying, frightening
results of "motorcycling gone wrong" and I feel this may result in
comments that may seem "negative" on the forum, to those that have not experienced the dark side of it (Or who veiw it differently.)

Maybe a bit of understanding and accepting other peoples opinions might go a long way in here as we don't really know everyones circumstances.

[Zed]

...based on your handbook - we are mere chess pieces at the mercy of your Deity

I couldn't think of a better Master Chess Player than my God to put my life in the hands of...you see, those who know God personally and trust in Him don't view life as a game in the hands of an angry God, but rather a wonderful journey with a loving Father & Saviour that will last for all eternity.

Now as far as your little game your playing with peoples minds on this site- you remind me of the many times I have heard people say something wrong that they regret and then turn around giving the excuse "I was only joking." Most of us weren't born yesterday and can see through your thin veil of deceit Cincinnati.

My thoughts anyway


Zed

[Jackrat]

The wheel stand display was witnessed by at lest one person that wasn't impressed and had the guts to say so.So some degree of harm was done.
Both crashes could of been avoided.The guys chain coming off could of been avoided.If his mates had been looking out for him that is.
Some people chose not to go on that ride because of the very things that did happen.The last big ride I went on had around a hundred riders and nobody crashed,nobody broke down,Some riders rode very hard but still no incidents.
So what's going on with KB rides??
I ride to the limit at times,I pick my place and my company,An organised ride with people I don't know is not the place.When around a hundred so called old farts can get through the day without one incident yet a small group of KBer's can't then there is something wrong going on.
So what's going on with KB rides??
I ride with a club that simply will not let anybody ride with them if their bike it not up to scratch,We help our newbie riders by checking out their bikes.We brake into fast an not so fast groups at the start of the ride.We get rid of the show boaters as soon as they make themselfs known.Our organisers go out of their way to make sure everybody has a safe and enjoyable ride.
If we recive a complaint,we address it,we don't launch a personal attack an tell people to fuck off.
I won't go on a KB ride,the chances of history repeating is just to high.

[Motoracer]

It may be true that KB rides aren't as organised and "safe" as your club rides. Then again, what is KB? it's a website that brings riders of all sort together. It is just a face representing a part of the biking comunity out there. KB rides or anyother ride going on elsewhere (not counting well organised club rides like yours), this kinda stuff happens all the time. Its not cause we are just down right crazy group.

Things can always be avoided but keep in mind that most of us are not as experienced as you with things so mistakes do happen. We learn as we go along. Constructive critisism is really good and I am sure it is appriciated by most.

[Jackrat]

It may be true that KB rides aren't as organised and "safe" as your club rides. Then again, what is KB? it's a website that brings riders of all sort together. It is just a face representing a part of the biking comunity out there. KB rides or anyother ride going on elsewhere (not counting well organised club rides like yours), this kinda stuff happens all the time. Its not cause we are just down right crazy group.

Things can always be avoided but keep in mind that most of us are not as experienced as you with things so mistakes do happen. We learn as we go along. Constructive critisism is really good and I am sure it is appriciated by most.

Good post,Your right things happen.
KB is the best MC site on the net,but as you say we ain't a club.
I learn a lot from the many different people here.
I used to live by the old saying "Ride hard,die young,Leave a good looking corpse".
Trouble is I ain't young or good looking.
It's odd how time changes your point of veiw.

[sAsLEX]

The wheel stand display was witnessed by at lest one person that wasn't impressed and had the guts to say so.So some degree of harm was done.
Both crashes could of been avoided.The guys chain coming off could of been avoided.If his mates had been looking out for him that is.
Some people chose not to go on that ride because of the very things that did happen.The last big ride I went on had around a hundred riders and nobody crashed,nobody broke down,Some riders rode very hard but still no incidents.
So what's going on with KB rides??
I ride to the limit at times,I pick my place and my company,An organised ride with people I don't know is not the place.When around a hundred so called old farts can get through the day without one incident yet a small group of KBer's can't then there is something wrong going on.
So what's going on with KB rides??
I ride with a club that simply will not let anybody ride with them if their bike it not up to scratch,We help our newbie riders by checking out their bikes.We brake into fast an not so fast groups at the start of the ride.We get rid of the show boaters as soon as they make themselfs known.Our organisers go out of their way to make sure everybody has a safe and enjoyable ride.
If we recive a complaint,we address it,we don't launch a personal attack an tell people to fuck off.
I won't go on a KB ride,the chances of history repeating is just to high.

Your point of checking the others bikes especially those new to riding is a good one and totally agree with this.

[erik]

...Who is responsible when someone bins on a group ride?

...I mean we are all, at one time or another, influenced by people around us wether we like it or not and our actions can & do influence others to make bad or good decisions.
...

I agree that it's a bit of both, and it depends on the situation and riders. I mean, if I was riding with someone and knew that they wanted to keep up with me, I'd go slower (assuming they were a slower rider than me). But if I knew they were happy to be left behind a bit, then I'd go a bit faster and let them determine their own speed.
But ultimately, I think it is each riders responsibility to be able to determine their own speed and decide when to push it, and when to take it easy.

[Cajun]

just gonna put in my 2 cents worth.

I went on part of the ride on saturday. I had to get home to set someone up on adsl that avo. But was a good chance to put some more milage on the new gixxer.

It was a good ride. Great to see tons of sports bikes all together.

I didn't see either accident, cause i had gone my own way before the cbr lost it. The stunting was a great show. And i think it was done in farily countroable conditions.

Riding bikes or pretty much being on the road full stop, you are gonna crash/come off one day sooner or later. Often its due to no fault of your own. And if always rode around like babys, there would be on fun in it, and arn't we in to riding for fun and enjoyment??

i better stop babbling, and put more milage on that gixxer not far away from first service then i can take it to that 15,500 red line (c:<