TAWA 40KM/H NOooooooooo!

[Wenier]

Not many of you might no this but Tawa out of wellington for those who dont know this, is under proposal of becoming a mainly 40km/h area except for certain roads (i think it was a total of 4 stay 50km/h).

Personally i dont like to go 50 and 40 is jus gonna make me wanna kill someone, luckily for me i can get home if i go a certain way without being affected (now thats luck ).

But if they are going to turn tawa to a 40km area wuts gonna stop them doing this to where any of you live.

So wut are everybodies thoughts on this issues, as u can probably tell i hate it and i am highly against this happening!

[James Deuce]

I work with a bloke who lives in a Cul-de-sac in Tawa. He has a 3 year old and an 18 month old. If the behaviour I saw when I went round on a saturday evening from boy-racers at the end of the cul-de-sac is a regular event then the residents would be justified in asking for a 5km/hr limit and a minefield.

[Wenier]

wut street does he live in?

[riffer]

Yeah, I mentioned this in a previous thread a couple weeks ago.

Likewise, Khandallah, Broadmeadows, and Ngaio.

It's part of the new plan to let local authorities decide speed limits, and enforce them with speed cameras. This has been tried previously in England, and speed camera numbers increased hugely as a result, with the end result being that a whole load of money was made for local councils, and the road toll increased.

[sigh]

Apart from Tawa, which I have to go to for work purposes and to se my brother and his family, I'll just avoid these areas.

I'm concerned they may not change the speed signs though, and just rely on enforcement techniques to get the message across.

At least we'll all know though, won't we?

[aff-man]

yes i agree but changing the speed limit won't slow boy racers down. And think of having to go 40km/h how slow would traffic become

[Wenier]

yea plus they released a map which has the exact proposed position of the cameras and everything else that will b done , so theres no chance of getting caught by a camera if youve seen this map

[k14]

I work with a bloke who lives in a Cul-de-sac in Tawa. He has a 3 year old and an 18 month old. If the behaviour I saw when I went round on a saturday evening from boy-racers at the end of the cul-de-sac is a regular event then the residents would be justified in asking for a 5km/hr limit and a minefield.

So does he let his 3 year old play out on the street at 10 o'clock at night or something?

This is totally ludicrous. What will dropping the speed limit by 10kph do?? Only thing i can think of is increase congestion and increase pissed off drivers. What is their reasoning behind dropping it?

[White trash]

I think the proposal is for residential streets, not many main roads. If this is the case I say go for it. I don't spend anytime riding or driving in suburban streets unless it's my own or I'm visiting people.

I couldn't give a shit either way!

[wkid_one]

This is the precursor of the 'individual limit setting' regulation the local bodies are after. LBA's have been trying to get the ability to change speed limits within their juristication to enable them to better manage black spots etc. The hesitancy of the LTSA has been that having differing speed limits adds to the confusion etc that drivers face.

I personally don't mind lowering speed limits in densely population areas - esp areas with a young demographic where the likelihood of kids is high.

HOWEVER - lowering the speed limit is a waste of time - as people will just continue to drive at the same speed - and the limits will just increase revenue.

They would be much better to increase the number of 'speed disincentives' in areas where they wish to reduce speed (speed bumps, speed chicanes etc). For example - most speeding down my parents street is by people who wish to AVOID the main road and the lights. By discouraging them by making the road more difficult to speed down - they are increasing likely to stay off the residential by roads and remain on the main roads.

Also - residential by roads are less controlled driving situations - they tend to have no lights (just stop and give way signs if you are lucky) and limited pedestrian crossings.

I believe their heart is in the right place - by the manner of execution is misguided. Look how many people don't obey the speed limit now - what difference other than revenue collection is dropping it going to do?

[Ms Piggy]

yes i agree but changing the speed limit won't slow boy racers down. And think of having to go 40km/h how slow would traffic become

Exactly the point I made in the previous thread about this, the inconsiderate speedsters are not gonna give a rats arse about it are they. :sneaky2:

[James Deuce]

So does he let his 3 year old play out on the street at 10 o'clock at night or something?

This is totally ludicrous. What will dropping the speed limit by 10kph do?? Only thing i can think of is increase congestion and increase pissed off drivers. What is their reasoning behind dropping it?

No he doesn't - 4pm for a BBQ, and I had to drive through a cloud of tyre smoke to get there.

And how does 10pm make it any different? Is it OK to wake kids up or potentially run over panicked pets? Find a carpark or an industrial estate. You do realise you can be charged for manslaughter for killing someone, don't you?

You young fellas think its a huge joke to go and make a crap load of noise late at night in a residential area and then get all defensive when people take a hard line. This proposal (which I think is stupid and reactionary, by the way) has only appeared because people with your attitude have scared and pissed off people in equal measure.

This will be whistling in the wind, but the people who are proposing this may well have been like you once upon a time and had to learn the hard way that a 50km/hr suburban road isn't a freaking race track.

It is a ludicrous proposal, but ask yourself why it came about.

[Wenier]

No he doesn't - 4pm for a BBQ, and I had to drive through a cloud of tyre smoke to get there.

And how does 10pm make it any different? Is it OK to wake kids up or potentially run over panicked pets? Find a carpark or an industrial estate. You do realise you can be charged for manslaughter for killing someone, don't you?

You young fellas think its a huge joke to go and make a crap load of noise late at night in a residential area and then get all defensive when people take a hard line. This proposal (which I think is stupid and reactionary, by the way) has only appeared because people with your attitude have scared and pissed off people in equal measure.

This will be whistling in the wind, but the people who are proposing this may well have been like you once upon a time and had to learn the hard way that a 50km/hr suburban road isn't a freaking race track.

It is a ludicrous proposal, but ask yourself why it came about.

I hope that wasnt aimed at me because if it was i will be highly annoyed as me and the flatmates have loud and fast cars but dont do that around the residential areas. If we want to do anything remotely bad we wait till very late at night and go to an area of motorway or country road that we know is empty at this time and do it then. This way it is safe and we can only hurt or damage ourselves/vehicles.

[James Deuce]

I hope that wasnt aimed at me because if it was i will be highly annoyed as me and the flatmates have loud and fast cars but dont do that around the residential areas. If we want to do anything remotely bad we wait till very late at night and go to an area of motorway or country road that we know is empty at this time and do it then. This way it is safe and we can only hurt or damage ourselves/vehicles.

You might wanna read the post again, then.

But seriously, is that a hidden threat? Because I don't take kindly to those.

[Wenier]

You might wanna read the post again, then.

But seriously, is that a hidden threat? Because I don't take kindly to those.

no threats jus sayin that its not nice to say all young ppl do race around in residential areas, (i no alot do).

[James Deuce]

no threats jus sayin that its not nice to say all young ppl do race around in residential areas, (i no alot do).

You're right, it was a generalisation.

I live right at the top of Maungaraki, and we've had dudes go airborne over the crest of the hill at 2am, messy head-ons, and a couple of near misses when crossing the road to go to the dairy for a bottle of milk because of people using residential road as a race track. My point is that it only takes one person to do one stupid thing to colour the perception the "average" populace for whom cars and bikes are transport, not a passion. I'm stunned at the number of people who think this is acceptable behaviour.

I'm pleased that you don't Wenier.