"Cans" Vs Bikes

[FROSTY:Me]

does it really matter? --fact is the bikes are a heck of a lot more fun to watch -Ya have a hard time making a bike 20 feet wide like a car can

[Lou Girardin]

F1 cars would still have a huge amount of mechanical grip even without downforce, they have lots of rubber for their weight.
GT3 Porsches, etc. are nowhere near V8 supercar times on any track.
I seem to recall that F1 is approx 10 secs faster than MotoGP on the tracks they share.

[RiderInBlack]

Thank Lou. That is the sort of info I was after here.

Thanks for the link and info Motu. I thought our tracks were tight not fast (we don't have very long ones at any rate). How do they compare to oversea's tracks? How well would "cans" go on Isle Of Man TT coarse?

[RiderInBlack]

MotoGP 2003 - Malaysian Grand Prix:
Fstest Lap, Valentino Rossi 2'02.480 ~ 163 Km/h

F1 2004 - Malaysian Grand Prix
Fastest Lap, J.P. Montoya 1'34.223 ~ 212 Km/h

Quoted from the link Motu provided. Lots of interesting discussion relating to this topic in that link! Thanks again Motu.

[RiderInBlack]

Another good link relating to this discussion.

Montoya visits Suzuki pits
For the Spanish MotoGP

Montoya, who drives for the British based Williams team, spent time chatting with both Suzuki riders, comparing the performance of his car, the FW24, with their bikes……

http://f1.racing-live.com/en/index.h...08040953.shtml

[scumdog]

Does anyone know if the fact a car is wider than a bike means it can't "straighten" the corners so much, means the bikes should have a higher entry/exit speed or is that just a "theory"?
'Course a bike doesn't handle the "ripple-strip" the same!

[Devil]

Big deal, Ray Clees does Puke in 57 sec

Does he race a 1600cc n/a engine?
(I have no idea who that is)

[RiderInBlack]

Does he race a 1600cc n/a engine?
(I have no idea who that is)

No, a GXSR1000. This time was clocked while he was racing at the Puke TT I marshell at earlier this year.

[Devil]

No, a GXSR1000. This time was clocked while he was racing at the Puke TT I marshell at earlier this year.

Yeh well, good on him. Apples and Oranges and all that.

Said "can" = 600kg, 1600cc n/a. So a 1:04 would be pretty damn good for something with 4 legs.

Uhm re: GT3 time, last I saw @ puke was about 59.5 fastest lap.

[RiderInBlack]

Uhm re: GT3 time, last I saw @ puke was about 59.5 fastest lap.

Not bad. Difference could be put down to driver/Rider skill and track knowledge.

Remember being told track time improves in order of these factors:

1. First most important is the Rider's skill and knoweledge.
2. Then the right tire for the conditions (traction, part one)
3. Then suspension (traction, part two).
4. and a late fourth motor power.

I am sure that something about brakes should be added to that list.

[Devil]

Not bad. Difference could be put down to driver/Rider skill and track knowledge.

Remember being told track time improves in order of these factors:

1. First most important is the Rider's skill and knoweledge.
2. Then the right tire for the conditions (traction, part one)
3. Then suspension (traction, part two).
4. and a late fourth motor power.

I am sure that something about brakes should be added to that list.

ARRRG NO BRAKES!
heh. In the race car, before they got the power sorted out (they couldnt get enough fuel in) he only had to use the brake pedal once over the whole track. grip!

That GT3 race was the carrera cup series?? With Jim Richards and co. Uhm, couple of weeks ago.
Good thing about that series is the cars are practically all the same, not a huge amount of power.

[merv]

Also said the bikes were more interesting to watch...

That I agree with wholeheartedly and basically can't be bothered watching F1 or IRL or CART on TV.

[Drew]

Just recently had the chance to fly around pukekohe in the passenger seat of my mates racecar (see attached, pre-signwriting). With slicks on, the harness isnt just in there for accidents! The brakes/grip/cornering is insane.
FYI, this car has bike rotors on it

This thing should be heading round pukekohe around 1.04s when its all sorted.

OK, this car is purpose built, and pretty trick, if it will run a 1.04 at Puke, it is still two seconds slower than our freind "the travelling YO show", on his old gixxer 6.
However, cars do have a higher average speed, due to there traction enabled corner speed.
But nomatter how you look at it, it takes more skill to ride a bike at pace, and that makes them cooler.
As for cars...

[Devil]

OK, this car is purpose built, and pretty trick, if it will run a 1.04 at Puke, it is still two seconds slower than our freind "the travelling YO show", on his old gixxer 6.
However, cars do have a higher average speed, due to there traction enabled corner speed.
But nomatter how you look at it, it takes more skill to ride a bike at pace, and that makes them cooler.
As for cars...

I dont know who you're arguing with.

[MacD]

Here's a short video of a bike vs F1 car race ...

Doesn't prove anything but it does have a bike and a car on the same race track