Workin' Socially!
So what would you say then? I'm just going on what I've seen on the telly & heard & read in the newspaper, it isn't by any means an educated or fully informed opinion...hmmmmmm, sounds a bit like how a lot of people come their opinions on the TreatyOriginally Posted by Jim2
Ooopsss, getting off the topic sorry.
My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
Nana
I Think in general terms it is very easy to agree with you but your statements above are too general and open ended to agree with beyond the principle.
Forum whore
Possibly, though at the end of the day I may have to lean in a different direction.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Hardcore Biker
Jim, Big dog can you elaborate further on some specifics?
I feel I have missed something.
Workin' Socially!
Maybe they're just messing with our minds!
My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
gee wizzz
Something has gone awry with our country. Why is a family financially rewarded for breaking down ? Where is the encouragement for families to stay as a family unit?
Where are the positive male role models for those children with a mum raising alone?
Why should a mother be a better parent just because she is a she?
To see a life newly created.To watch it grow and prosper. Isn't that the greatest gift a human being can be given?
L-Plate Rider
There seems to me to be a lot of intolerance out there! One persons experience of the world, or the "teachings" they have subscribed to, horribly generalise everything, and are the root of bigotry. Count your blessings, but life aint perfect. A lot of people push shit uphill with all sorts of outcomes of past events, relationships and ye olde sex drive being prime. I have detected some smugness out there for those people where things have worked out. Cut the others a bit of slack, don't begrudge them a bit of help because of your "fault" analysis. Go ride and all is well.
Workin' Socially!
Good points Johno - I think basically it's that smugness & intolerance you speak of that stuffs it up every time.Snobbery, predjudice, superiority complex, arrogance - whatever you like to call it. We all have it in certain areas of our lives I reckon, some in larger doses than others. But when it is part of your everyday dealings with certain sectors of our society it creates barriers. Why can't we all just get along?
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My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
I'd rather be thinking
Because life would be sooooooo boring.Why can't we all just get along?
It's people's little foibles (snobbery, arrogance, hypocrisy etc) that make social interaction endlessly fascinating. The trouble starts either when you start taking them too seriously, or when those people start taking themselves so seriously that they become convinced that they have the answers not only for their own lives but for yours as well. And when that gets translated into moral, religious or legal commandments and prohibitions, watch out!
Age is too high a price to pay for maturity
Hardcore Biker
Interesting comment, how can people know when things have worked
out for others? and what is a life that has worked out?
"fault" analysis and not helping people or looking down on them because
of it, is pretty disgusting. I hate to say it, but I have said it before, those
sorts of people need to experience something bad in their lives to develop
empathy for others.
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Forum whore
You've already answered your question in the Hikoi thread - media puts the spin on news stories they want to present.So what would you say then? I'm just going on what I've seen on the telly & heard & read in the newspaper, it isn't by any means an educated or fully informed opinion...hmmmmmm, sounds a bit like how a lot of people come their opinions on the Treaty
My wife works in paediatrics, and has seen the power on NZ's social services in action, many, many times. As has already been mentioned, names, dates, and times net you a criminal conviction. I would be stupid to mention specific cases. However I will say that in all cases where social services have been involved the male in the parental unit has paid a large cost. Particularly in unsubstantiated child abuse claims that are later proved to be false, the relationship between husband and wife never recovers. They always end up separated, and the male usually loses his job, and access to his children permanently. Even though the accusation was false.
Because of that background my wife and I are terrified of them - they can ruin your life at the stroke of a pen, and most social services case workers are unqualified and over worked.
If I appear "smug" or "perfect", let me assure you than I am neither.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Workin' Socially!
Nah Jim I already knew you were perfect anway!
Yes it's very scary to think of the power one overworked, under qualified person has. It's something I think about a lot b/c of my chosen career path.
My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
Workin' Socially!
Oh yeah - that's right!I guess I'm just a little too idealstic for my own good some days!
My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
Nana
I was probing to see if maybe my theory that jims reluctance to agree on a blanket level may have to do with the fact that it is easy to agree with what you said because it is so general, but for those of us with real life experience they are difficult to agree with because it was so general.
Like all things intended for the masses these things are thrown together with the best intentions athen ruined by beuracracy gone mad. Triplicate this, if then.
You can't just make a rule and then expect it to fit every case.
CYF's and other such agency are relatively new and focus on a relatively new field, a field in which there are no easy answers.......
eg.
Premise one.
In theory their jobs are very easy.
Follow x procedure to get y result.
Record steps taken.
Record result.
Next case.
Premise two.
Their job's are complicated by a lot of factors not the least of which is the fact they are still humans dealling with humans.
In theory their jobs are very hard.
No because
Follow x procedure to get y result.
Record steps taken.
Record result.
Next case.
Their job's are made easier because the fact is they are still humans dealling with humans.
As you can se by the above example of two sides to the same argument using exactly the same facts, if you keep it general you can argue any direction you like without ever having a point or a conclusion.
Neither argument was wrong in principle.
Without first hand experience neither can be discredited.
Either can be easily beleived depending on the medias projection at the time.
Neither is completely true.
Neither is correct for every case.
Neither is false.
It is easy to agree to either given no personal experience.
It is difficult to agree to either with personal experience.
Or for a second example, who was the best astrologer you ever read?
Would it be fair to say they were rarely wrong?
Would it also be fair to say they were rarely specific?
Were some months to vague too make sense of but someone else you knew made a perfect fit with it in hindsight?
Well thats what I mean keep it general and it is easy for someone who is not aware of a better conclusion to agree.
For a third example.
Who is the best politician that you ever knew?
Did they ever draw a line in the sand and say don't cross it?
No all the best pooliticians you have never heard of or they have never been pinned down to one policy.
(keep in mind George Dubya is a crap politician but a good leader
L-Plate Rider
[QUOTE=KATWYN]Interesting comment, how can people know when things have worked
out for others? and what is a life that has worked out?
Point taken, I retract from the phrasing, but you know I mean the perception of it. Was a bit pompous eh?
Agree also with the rest of your statement.
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