No burqas when riding, ok...

[u4ea]

I see some european-camp in Saudi.............why they don't do what saudis do and wear burqas there?

do we take our overcrowding,diseases......exepting helen...............guns and extremist beleifs with us overseas???????????

[Motu]

I have bigger problem with Chinese women who wear cotton gloves when driving. Ever tried evasive steering while wearing them?

They probably work better than the sheepskin steeringwheel cover...I love those,like a fox terrier dog paddling as you furiously keep turning the wheel and still go straight ahead.

Those Chinese woman with the white cotten gloves - they are the ones with the Tweety Bird sun shade stuck on the driver's window I think....

[u4ea]

They probably work better than the sheepskin steeringwheel cover...I love those,like a fox terrier dog paddling as you furiously keep turning the wheel and still go straight ahead.

Those Chinese woman with the white cotten gloves - they are the ones with the Tweety Bird sun shade stuck on the driver's window I think....

hers one for ya..recently moved house and took my 4 cats with me.happily escaping outa there enclosures i ended up with cats on my knee and o god...4 an hour.coud"ve quite happily wrapped them round the steering wheel that day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ixion]

I see some european-camp in Saudi.............why they don't do what saudis do and wear burqas there?

That issue nearly became an international incident a while ago. US army camp in Saudi. Saudi authorities "asked" (well, it is their country after all) that female US troops, when outside the camp (ie, in the city) should wear "modest" clothing, covering them from neck to knee (not bhurka).And, female troops not to drive cars when not on duty (cos Saudi women not allowed to drive). US Army initally agreed, then some GI Joanna started kicking up a merry stink. Reckoned it was their God given right to parade around in halter tops with their tits hanging out anywhere on God's good earth. And drive there too.

Big fuss in US press, diplomatic exchanges at highest level etc. Not sure what happened in the end, hope the Saudis stuck to their guns (metaphorically speaking). Fair enough I reckon, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[u4ea]

That issue nearly became an international incident a while ago. US army camp in Saudi. Saudi authorities "asked" (well, it is their country after all) that female US troops, when outside the camp (ie, in the city) should wear "modest" clothing, covering them from neck to knee (not bhurka).And, female troops not to drive cars when not on duty (cos Saudi women not allowed to drive). US Army initally agreed, then some GI Joanna started kicking up a merry stink. Reckoned it was their God given right to parade around in halter tops with their tits hanging out anywhere on God's good earth. And drive there too.

Big fuss in US press, diplomatic exchanges at highest level etc. Not sure what happened in the end, hope the Saudis stuck to their guns (metaphorically speaking). Fair enough I reckon, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

did a short stint in TF a few moons ago and joined as a peacekeeper.if diplomacy means keeping the peace and not stirring the sauce,in that situation i woudve complied. war shoudnt be about anarchy but humanity.sadly,the goose always dies

[Shadows]

That issue nearly became an international incident a while ago. US army camp in Saudi. Saudi authorities "asked" (well, it is their country after all) that female US troops, when outside the camp (ie, in the city) should wear "modest" clothing, covering them from neck to knee (not bhurka).And, female troops not to drive cars when not on duty (cos Saudi women not allowed to drive). US Army initally agreed, then some GI Joanna started kicking up a merry stink. Reckoned it was their God given right to parade around in halter tops with their tits hanging out anywhere on God's good earth. And drive there too.

Big fuss in US press, diplomatic exchanges at highest level etc. Not sure what happened in the end, hope the Saudis stuck to their guns (metaphorically speaking). Fair enough I reckon, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

So, just so I'm clear....... at home they aren't allowed to drive, but now they are over here driving is allowed?
Well they can take off their bedsheets and tea towels then, can't they?
Fucking hippocrates.

[Shadows]

And I suppose the same should be applied to our kiwis overseas in countries with different languages, such as Dubai, Saudi, China, Japan, Korea, Hongkong, and such?
I've never seen them being booted, though.........


And, in regards to 'cervical injuries' as result of wearing helmet, DAMN I MISSED THAT ONE

I haven't seen a T-Shirt like you speak of but yeah I would have to say that it makes sense.
However I think you will find most self respecting Kiwis would make the effort unless just there on holiday.

[scumdog]

Could get the same issue with two brothers or two sisters, though, often siblings look alike enough to pass as one another. $150 fine for not carrying licence isn't it?

Could always ask them to provide a signature if in doubt. And if real doubt exists, call a chicky-cop to check 'em out.

$55, Fails to Produce drivers Licence

Cheaper than $400 for not having one - and being forbidden to drive until they get one.

BTW Cervical IS used in reference to neck injuries - i.e. "Injury to C2" means injury to 2nd cervical (neck) bone.

So save your laughter guys and feel embarrassed at not knowing THAT.

[spudchucka]

Are the cops going to object to Sikh headgear too, or is it just ragheads that are a problem?
I have bigger problem with Chinese women who wear cotton gloves when driving. Ever tried evasive steering while wearing them?

Apparently its do with identification of drivers. A photo licence is obviously useless for identification if the face can't be seen. It has nothing to do with discriminating against a particular sector of the community.

[u4ea]

thanks for that scumdog,even i was worried.............thought being out in the elements was good for the health............:spudflip:

[Oscar]

Whats up with this country,, its a joke. People who move here from another land should i think take on our way of life,,

So are you Maori?

[u4ea]

Apparently its do with identification of drivers. A photo licence is obviously useless for identification if the face can't be seen. It has nothing to do with discriminating against a particular sector of the community.

exactly,if i went over there i would have to cover up to follow their laws so they should follow ours.they have freedom of speech in nz so they could try exerting some free will.those women have been enslaved under religios laws for soo long its tragic.nz laws are based off orthidox religion but we are waking up at least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MSTRS:Me]

Does that mean Maori should be rulling the country, and if white people don't like it, they should go back to where you came from?

Thanks Marmoot for getting some sense back into this thread

FYI - I was born in NZ. Real big assumption on your part as to what 'race' I am. Many Maori (for instance) do not buy into the Treaty industry etc, just as many paler-skinned NZers agree with the claims (not just because it is the PC thing to do).
I think Marmoot is playing Devil's Advocate & fair enough too - shows an understanding from both sides. BUT in the case of the Bhurka 'custom'....leave it in the country(s) that expect it. Those countries expect 'our' women to respect their customs, at least in part. In this country men and women are deemed equal and since the Bhurka is a symbol of women's subservience, it has no place here.
I say again....Ban the damn things.

[Smorg]

Does that mean Maori should be rulling the country, and if white people don't like it, they should go back to where you came from?

Ummmmmmm...... :slap: Idiot

[ManDownUnder]

hang on - hold up...

THEM and US.... that's always a good starting point. Why make it THEM and US? Here's a radical departure - who cares?

Focus on the basic set of requirements required to uphold law. If it means catering to the reasonable sensitivies of others so be it. Gender, religion, etc - whoopdy la.

We're doing it alreay - and rightly so. Cavity searches at the airport are (rightly) done by someone of the same gender. But it goes both ways. You come into the country with drugs up your arse - expect to have a cavity search, don't claim it impinges on your moral code.

As per the Berka debate. You want a licence - fine. It's a reasonable thing that you can be identified when needed by the appropriate authorities, but those authorities should not use those powers in a way that humiliates or degrades.

Your driver's licence should have your face on it it - that's the law. No Berka in the photo. But if showing that photo is somehow degrading - keep it sacred! Put it somewhere special, put it in a black silk purse of it's own. Put value on it and give it discretion - don't just chuck it in the glove box where kids will find it and take the piss.

If required by the police to give a positive ID, do it in the POlice car, or if that's not acceptable, go to the nearest cop shop, and do it dicreetly.

Needs CAN be accommodated - it's not hard. Just put some thought into it, and put some value on the needs of the other. Those enforcing the law should respect the sensitivity of showing the face of a woman who wears a Berka, but so the person wearing a Berka should also be sensitive to the requirements of the law.

Why is this so hard?