Cheaters in motor racing in NZ

[The Stranger:Me]

It's an old story. The Aussies wrote Sierras, M3's, Skylines out of the rules because they made Aussie iron look like the slow pieces of shit that they are. M3's in particular made them look stupid, half the engine size and seconds quicker around any track.
Pushrod engines and live axles in this day and age - ridiculous.

The skylines and sierras at least were turbo charged and as pointed out above all classes of racing have restrictions on the usage of turbos.
Are they still using live axles in the race cars? They don't in the Holden street cars anyway, haven't for some time now.

As to push rods, the problem with this approach is?
Now let me see.
Sprint cars could use a japa engine sans push rods, but no they use old fashion pusrod engines hmm surely this must be holding them back.

Top fuel dragsters pulling 300 mph down the quarter mile.
Those bloody push rods holding them back yet again. Bet they long for a 2 litre japa there too.

[The Stranger:Me]

I thought motorsport was about development as much as it was racing. A little rule bending is part of finding the limit. It would be cool if they let more types of car in, like the early 90s. I would actually watch it. The aussie V8s do nothing for me except for give me a laugh at all the wannabie race drivers on the road. How much did that new V8 cost ya? Well it just got smoked by my 10k nissan.

Damn, if you got a Nissan for 10k that will smoke my SS I must say that was quite the bargain and you did well.

What was/is it as a matter of interest?

[speedpro]

Top fuel dragsters pulling 300 mph down the quarter mile.
Those bloody push rods holding them back yet again. Bet they long for a 2 litre japa there too.

About those dragsters and their pushrod engines, it's because that's the rules. Go here http://www.mcgeecams.com/history.html and read the paragraph about 2/3 down just below the bike picture. Pushrods are a pain in the arse on serious V8s. They get in the way of the ports, or vice versa, and even with Jessal (spelling?) rocker systems you still end up with some really ugly angles between lifter bores, pushrods, and rockers. The lifter bores are a weak point in the block and the valve train inertia with all the rocky bits and the up/down bits is way more than it would be with a good OHC design. Even with titanium valves, and sometimes springs, with the cams that are run and the revs, a pushrod will still be kicked out sometimes. The good point is that you can use rockers with say a 1.7:1 ratio allowing big lift without toooooo big a cam lobe. The car I crewed on had 2.4" inlet valves, about .8-9" lift and the shift light was set for 9,200rpm. Still though, even if there is pushrods inside, those engines are waaaaaaaaaaay trick.

[Buster]

Damn, if you got a Nissan for 10k that will smoke my SS I must say that was quite the bargain and you did well.

What was/is it as a matter of interest?

It was quite the bargain 5 years ago... 300z with small mods.
And no I wasnt talking about your SS.

[The Stranger:Me]

It was quite the bargain 5 years ago... 300z with small mods.
And no I wasnt talking about your SS.

There are many reasons a person would own a vehicle such as say a Holden V8.
My son's GTI-R or my brother's STI may beat the SS, but hook my boat on and tow it to the Bay of Islands and the bloody things will be twice as long when (if) they get back.
My 3 boys and myself are over 6' tall, try stuffing that lot in your japa for a couple of hours.

[Buster]

There are many reasons a person would own a vehicle such as say a Holden V8.
My son's GTI-R or my brother's STI may beat the SS, but hook my boat on and tow it to the Bay of Islands and the bloody things will be twice as long when (if) they get back.
My 3 boys and myself are over 6' tall, try stuffing that lot in your japa for a couple of hours.

Its a shame they dont race them with trailers.....

[scumdog]

Its a shame they dont race them with trailers.....

It's a shame they don't tow large boats with GTI-Rs........

Different strokes for different folks.


I wonder why NZ Police don't use Jappas for front line work very often??

[The Stranger:Me]

Its a shame they dont race them with trailers.....

When you started talking about "wannabie race drivers on the road" and smoking them with your 10k nissan you took the thread off of the race track and onto the road.

Make your bloody mind up.

[DEATH_INC.]

Driving a ford IS like cheating
those poor holden folk

[FROSTY:Me]

yea death you gotta feel sorry for those poor people stuck with holdens--I mean how can they possibly know if its their driving thats good or Hoden is so much better a car

[The Stranger:Me]

Driving a ford IS like cheating
those poor holden folk

A couple of other little tidbits for you Japa jerks out there.

Nurberg ring times

8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion

I tried to include a Ford too for comparison but none were in the top 100 or so entries.

Now if the Holden is a bad performer, BMW, Mercedes, Adui, Aston Martin and Porsche all have a lot to answer for because there bad performers all cost a LOT more.

Why do the motoring press compare the Holden's to M5's and E55's (cars at least 3 times the price)when reviewing them?

[The Stranger:Me]

Pushrod engines ... in this day and age - ridiculous.

That's it folks, the official word from the Harley Davidson retailer.

[Buster]

Why do the motoring press compare the Holden's to M5's and E55's (cars at least 3 times the price)when reviewing them?

For a laugh.

They should let bmw and merc into the race series then eh?

[Hitcher]

V8 touring cars... What a crock. Built on "Ford vs Holden" nonsense. You can't buy one from a dealer, so why bother with the charade? (Without wanting to denigrate Charades)

Might as well just have a homologated model, and let driver skill be the point of difference.

[Lou Girardin]

The skylines and sierras at least were turbo charged and as pointed out above all classes of racing have restrictions on the usage of turbos.
Are they still using live axles in the race cars? They don't in the Holden street cars anyway, haven't for some time now.

As to push rods, the problem with this approach is?
Now let me see.
Sprint cars could use a japa engine sans push rods, but no they use old fashion pusrod engines hmm surely this must be holding them back.

Top fuel dragsters pulling 300 mph down the quarter mile.
Those bloody push rods holding them back yet again. Bet they long for a 2 litre japa there too.

You left out aero engines.
Can we get back to sedan racing or do I have to mention F1 engines? 300 hp per litre. Or even F1 turbos 1000hp per litre and they didn't need pushrods. They lasted longer than 5 seconds too.