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    Owned both brands.

    The Falcon nearly sent me broke.

    Drive along and thud, what was that, oh just the rear view mirror falling off.

    Close the door and off comes the door handle.

    And that exhaust smell in the cabin, despite what Ford say, it is not normal (well perhaps it is in their context).

    We all know that Ford owners enjoy cleaning up oil, but hey, from engine, gearbox and the diff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaN
    What's that got to do with ripping off poor bikers with old technology crap?
    They don't seem to mind. In fact, they queue up to buy them. Even at 2 or 3 times the price of pseudo-cruisers.
    Plus, the chickies don't care that you've got double overhead widgets and super flatulent ram-air. They just think Harleys are sex on wheels.

    Another factor with pushrods v OHC is valve train stress. You may be able to spin a pushrod engine to 8 or 9 thou, but with the heavy springs required to control valve float it will not be as reliable as, say, an S2000 Honda that'll spin to 9000 and has a 3 year warranty.
    Speed doesn't kill people.
    Stupidity kills people.

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    In this day and age it must be cheaper to make OHC than OHV too,production plants are set up for it.Does my OHC 4D56 Mitsi motor rev any higher than the OHV Nissan TD27? No,both are diesels and can't go over 4700rpm because the fuel can't burn fast enough - there is absolutly no reason to make an OHC diesel other than production costs.

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    FORDS SUCK!!!!!!

    HOLDENS RULE!!!!!

    Thats all I got to say................. can I have a drive now CAN ???

    GOD CREATED FORDS TO KEEP DICKHEADS OUT OF HOLDENS

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    there's been plenty of accusations of cheating on 2 wheels also.
    A couple years back, a certain top nz racer was accused of it.
    apparently their 600 was 10 kmh faster through some speed trap at the IOMTT than any other. the rider won that race & all us kiwis were really proud of that acheivement, but it didn't stop the yanks.
    from what i can gather some sore loser cried cheat & was told to "put up, or shut up" by said kiwi. due to the rules i think any bike can be torn down for inspection but the accuser must pay for it if it's found to be legit. funny with their big $$ budget they never coughed up the measly $500.
    ..it's another red light nightmare..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 750Y
    there's been plenty of accusations of cheating on 2 wheels also.
    A couple years back, a certain top nz racer was accused of it.
    apparently their 600 was 10 kmh faster through some speed trap at the IOMTT than any other. the rider won that race & all us kiwis were really proud of that acheivement, but it didn't stop the yanks.
    from what i can gather some sore loser cried cheat & was told to "put up, or shut up" by said kiwi. due to the rules i think any bike can be torn down for inspection but the accuser must pay for it if it's found to be legit. funny with their big $$ budget they never coughed up the measly $500.
    Then there was the winner of the 400TT in '98..'99?, who, under protest was found to have a 600 motor in his FZR 400! An Irish team, as it happened....they claimed complete innocence............
    “- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”

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    The best anti cheating rule was used by the Yanks on their National Circuit (basicly flattrack).If you suspected a competitors bike,you could claim it for a nominal fee...like,buy their bike.So if you had any radical improvments or cheating,your opposition could claim the bike and use your secrets.Of course cheating was rife and the rule seldom invoked,but the threat was always there.I like it.

    Someone mentioned Smokey Yunick in another thread - he was the ultimate cheater,responsable for the 7/8 car...he made a car just slightly smaller than the original.He also had hidden fuel tanks,all sorts of shit to cheat the rules,an amaising guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu
    OHC 4D56 Mitsi motor rev any higher than the OHV Nissan TD27? No,both are diesels and can't go over 4700rpm because the fuel can't burn fast enough - there is absolutly no reason to make an OHC diesel other than production costs.
    fuel efficency....cleaner burning [emissions]....more precise timing makes developing a long flat tourqe curve alot easiyer

    and there are diesel engines running alot higher rpm than 4700rpm...using higher compression ratio's and direct cylinder injection....and one that uses variable valve timing... [audi I fink?]

    but I would imagine production costs would be a reason not to resort to defunked techonology....but why would you wanna pack pedel??

    I would acctually like to see a wankel diesel.....is there a reason why it deffinatly wouldn't work motu?
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    Yes,as I've been saying,ohc gives better control over the valves.The wankle won't make a good diesel for the same reason it doesn't make a good petrol engine - the combustion chamber is too long with too much heat loss,rather a design flaw in a diesel.

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    Well you know what they say big block small .....?
    You don't see turbos on v8s because they don't last turbo charged, on the other hand the japanese can build tiny turbo engines that put out massive hp and go and go and go, they should let them back in and settle the argument again, like in the early 90s

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    A couple of other little tidbits for you Japa jerks out there.

    Nurberg ring times

    8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
    8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
    8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
    8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
    8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
    8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
    8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
    8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
    8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
    8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
    8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
    8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
    8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
    8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
    8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
    8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
    8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
    8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
    8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
    8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
    8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
    8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
    9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion

    I tried to include a Ford too for comparison but none were in the top 100 or so entries.

    Now if the Holden is a bad performer, BMW, Mercedes, Adui, Aston Martin and Porsche all have a lot to answer for because there bad performers all cost a LOT more.

    Why do the motoring press compare the Holden's to M5's and E55's (cars at least 3 times the price)when reviewing them?

    Well there is always teh Transit van that Top Gear punted around the 'Ring a few years back - actually it was a German hottie named Sabine Shmitt. Did 10:08 in a diesel Transit van - trying beating Clarkson in a Jag :-)
    http://www.polcar.com.au/catalog/for...a-page-12.html
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    Bloody good. She passed a couple of bikes and Porches in it.


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    Looks like the standard normally asperated 2litre honda beat the holden?? its engine is nearly 1/3 the size! goes to show I guess

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