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Problem is our parents lived in a time when people looked out for each other more....neighbours where friends you could call on when feeling down...friends had more time for each other and there was not the consatnt barrage of media telling you that you are not normal..Originally Posted by SARGE
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True in some cases, Sarge, but not all.
I do agree though with the "victim mentality" thing, and that many people are their own worst enemy. This may stem from a growing trend away from personal responsibility and accountability. It seems to be a prevalent attitude that "there should be a law" or "the Gummint should do summat about it", or just looking to others for fixes to things when the answers or solutions lie within oneself or in one's own actions.
But that's mostly only true when there's an attitude problem. Sometimes there's a real psychotropic cause for problems that can only be helped with the aid of chemicals. Unfortunately, even if drugs do help, it's still very much a crude 'sledgehammer' answer to a complex and sensitive problem.
And you're right about the drug companies in that they very much have a vested interest in a 'cure', and it's HUGE money for them. And for frazzled and overworked GPs, especially when they are too arrogant or whatever to say, "I don't know", it's easy just to fill out a script.
... and that's what I think.
Or summat.
Or maybe not...
Dunno really....
.....your time is coming
I agree although we should not be side tracked because of the 'Old Days' and not deal with the problems now....the problems still exist and I guess society has changed a great deal in the last 25 years........the only constant is change
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Priceless!!! Bling awarded. I like that.
Socialists do not believe in the rights of the individual, they think we "all" belong to the state and that the state must preside over everything.
Parents have been totally usurped by the state and replaced by state "agencies".
Parents, Grandparents and family have no rights whatever, the state agencies control everything, just look at the daily stuff ups being highlighted every day in the news media.
There is always a state agency disenfranchising some poor parents or family and all the silly voters sit there saying tisk tisk isn't it getting terrible and then next election they go out and vote for some more of the same.
No bloody wonder the country is getting full of people with mental problems. :spudwhat:
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glad someone understood that .. pop always believed in "Abject Life Lessons"..
that excersise gave me tenacity and humility at the same time. i experienced joy and dissapointment within 3/10 of a second and i never forgot it.
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I Lost my father to suicide when i was 2 I have sat at the hospital when my daughter had her attempt and i have also inherited the gene but like you i would not say a lot because of the harden up attitude.Shit if it was that easy it would of done years ago.How many of you 'experts' have lost relatives to suicide, or spent hours and hours up at the hospital after a loved one's suicide attempt?
How many of you have real mental illnesses and know the anguish of trying to cope with it?
Opinions are like arseholes.
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How many of you 'experts' have lost relatives to suicide, or spent hours and hours up at the hospital after a loved one's suicide attempt?
How many of you have real mental illnesses and know the anguish of trying to cope with it?
trust me man .. dont think that just because i have this attitude that i dont understand depression and suicidal thoughts.. climb inside my head for 1/2 hour and then come talk to me..
everyone fights demons.. some of us are just better at it than others ..mine know better than to fuck with me much anymore
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Good luck.
I think this kinda exemplifies what I've tried to say. There are cases out there (and to clarify - I don't think busa pete's talking about one of them) where the problem is nothing more than "harden up" - the State is expected to nurse us from cradle to grave etc... so any problems get "diagnosed" where they may simply be an emotion.
Sadness does NOT euqal depression, but depression is characterised by sadness.
I do not accept that there is no such thing as mental illness though. I also pity those that villify or take the piss from anyone suffering.
It's real, it needs to be dealt with and treated accordingly and (as with most branches of medicine) the best mode of cure is always in question and open to research and improvement.
No big thing.
SARGE'S advice to toughen up is good advice for all the victims out there. If you can manage to see the light - even for a second - by refusing to be a victim to your circumstances try doing it again and again - you'll get better at it.
I think 1/2 the problem is the number of quacks willing to offer diagnoses, each from their own point of view. If someone is trained to solve the problems using drugs, it is not surprising that most of the problems they see will have drugs as the answer.
Likewise those who have psych training.
It's the old story - if you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
Sorry for the rave - my only practical suggestion is to sit with trusted friends - people you really respect, are mature and have nothing to gain but your well being. Ask them if you need help.
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Yeah, I regularly kick my demons asses just for shits and giggles.
There is a fuckin huge difference between demons and depression.
Being suicidal and miserable even when you have no problems that you can identify is a pretty nasty place to be in and the effect it has on those who love you can be fairly difficult too.
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Not at all, it's a difficult topic to hold at arms length!
I guess my experience with the health system revolves around Diabetes. And NO I certainly don't trust or even expect them to get it right all the time. Not because I think they are no good but because people are so complex, what hope have they got of being exacting in a 15 min session?
I find the more I know the more I get out of an appointment. Hard to do that with depression etc.
Plus lets get one thing straight. There are people out there, way along this spectrum that need constant support. I for one are bloody glad that we live in a country that has at least some capability to deliver this support and where we have the technology to even have this discussion.
In a great many places in this world, there is no time for depression because if you take your eye off the ball you become a depression, a smoking one in the ground!
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Mine wouldn't, I would reason with them with an open mind.
Worked every time for me when we had a problem.
Treat kids with respect and trust and it will come right back.
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group hug.....
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Now you guys all know I am like the most sane, rational sweet guy in the world right?
One fine day I was all screwed up, so i think to myself, Hey I drink about 5 coffees a day, I wonder if I stop if that would help.
So ok I stop the coffee and viola hey feel better than ever. I have repeated this many a time now.
If I eat chocolate, I lose my temper bad. Real bad. More of an uncontrolable rage.
So what I want to know is this. Why is it Americans drink huge amounts of coffee and consume huge abounts of anti depressants?
Whilst we are on the subject of things affecting your health. Mercury fillings - there's another conspiracy.
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Yeah yeah.
But the difference is I wont have to catch my kids, I will simply ask and be told the truth.
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Before I wade back into this debate, I should declare my affiliation to this subject. I work for an insurer. I see people who try to medicalise what most of us call a bad day, or a bad job, or plain bad luck. If they didn't have financial gain from their "illness" they'd do what the rest of us do - get on with life.
Where it's different is those who are actually suffering from a real bonafide mental illness. The clients I talk to who do, they're a whole different bunch than those who don't. But can you get a doctor in NZ to grow the balls to say that? Hell no.
The medical profession in NZ has a lot to answer for. For example, I rocked up to my GP many years ago. I'd had numerous days off work over a period of several months, and now cos my employer was so pissed I needed to get a med cert for every day I was off. GP asks me why I'm missing work. I say it's cos I'm not sleeping much. Got financial problems, relationship problems and I hate my job, both of them. Okay - he writes out a script, tells me I need two weeks off work, take these pills and if I'm not feeling better in a couple of weeks come back and see him.
On the way home while I'm buzzing thinking how cool it is to get a two week holiday from my sucky day job, I stop by my parents place. Mum (nurse) asks what the doctor said. Oh some meds I said. She looks at the script - Prozac. Do you know the side effects? No, do I care? So she lists them to me... bla bla bla bla bla bla impotence bla bla bla bla bla... Now you tell a young guy that things down there might not be rockin like you're used to and suddenly you've got their full attention. I left the script with Mum. Went home and sat down.
Why was I not sleeping? Well it was cos I was getting home from my 2nd job at between 11pm and 2am, wired, so not sleeping until 2-4am. Then when 7am rolls around to get up for my day job that I hate... do you think I could get outta bed on time 5 days a week? Umm... no. Why did I hate the day job? Well it was a no-brainer - literally. Why was I needing to work 2 jobs? Well I had this slapper of a g/f who was f***ing around on me, on the dole and not contributing a God damn cent to the house we were living in, the cars we were driving or the takeaway food that we were eating - so I had an expensive lifestyle to feed and a shit diet to go with it. I think my description of her might explain why there were relationship difficulties. So how do I solve this problem? Ditch the bitch, move back to the olds to sort out the debt.
So I did. Problems were resolved within a matter of weeks. My work performance picked up at the day job, stress levels went down there and I continued with lesser hours at the night one. Financial problems disappeared almost overnight. Slapper got knocked up just before D-Day, but my daughter's turned out wonderful so I can't complain at all about that.
Now obviously I was clearly still sane enough to make my own decisions about my own fate, and take responsibility for my situation. So you can't classify me as having a real mental illness. If I'd left it to my GP - I'd have been a victim.
This society is full of victims. The few sick people in this society get a bad rep from all those other "victims".
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