Illegal to open yesterday? (Good Friday)

**Big Dave** · 15th April 2006, 11:05

Originally Posted by Ixion

And tehre you have it in a nutshell. Pure selfishness.

Nah - Pitfalls of working in the retail sector aside - not allowing business to open because of a Religious Holiday sucks.

if it's give 'staff an even break day' - then whatever, call it that - the fundamental is that the nursery dude can't run his business the way he wants to because of what some people believe happened more than 2 thousand years ago - or in the name of it.

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

Very 'Brown Rice'. He loses me a bit on the possessions - He obviously never rode a Buell.

**MSTRS:Me** · 15th April 2006, 11:12

Originally Posted by Big Dave

.... what some people believe happened more than 2 thousand years ago - or in the name of it.

Not to split hairs - but in the interests of accuracy, the 'events' that Easter commemorates happened at the time of the cruxifiction (approx AD33) - not quite 2000 years ago

AND it was a hi-jack of the Pagan spring rituals

**Ixion** · 15th April 2006, 11:15

Why should the nursery dude be allowed to run his business the way he wants to, if it means trampling on other people. Lots of things I can't do they way I want to - because the law says I can't out of consideration for the rest of society.

Why should capitalists demand to be exempt from the limitations that we all accept. None of us can do just whatever we want whenever we want. That's why we have governemnts and laws.

Should the owner of the trucking business be exempt from the traffic laws so he can run his business the way he wants. And require his drivers to drive for 36hours on end, in unsafe vehicles, because he makes more profit that way.

Should the factory owner be allowed to pump toxic waste into the water system, because he wants to be able to run his business the way he wants?

What about mining? The mine owners would dearly love to be able to run their business the way they want. Leaves the country a wasteland of course, but they don't care, they'll just toddle back overseas with their profits in their pockets. Reckon they should be allowed to? No different is it?

Capitalism will ALWAYS demand the unfettered right to exploit everybody and everything. Society reallised this years ago and passed laws to prevent them doing so. Laws that are in the interests of ALL of us, not just a selfish minority.

**MSTRS:Me** · 15th April 2006, 11:21

Originally Posted by Ixion

Why should the nursery dude be allowed to run his business the way he wants to, if it means trampling on other people. Lots of things I can't do they way I want to - because the law says I can't out of consideration for the rest of society.

Why should capitalists demand to be exempt from the limitations that we all accept. None of us can do just whatever we want whenever we want. That's why we have governemnts and laws.

Should the owner of the trucking business be exempt from the traffic laws so he can run his business the way he wants. And require his drivers to drive for 36hours on end, in unsafe vehicles, because he makes more profit that way.

Should the factory owner be allowed to pump toxic waste into the water system, because he wants to be able to run his business the way he wants?

What about mining? The mine owners would dearly love to be able to run their business the way they want. Leaves the country a wasteland of course, but they don't care, they'll just toddle back overseas with their profits in their pockets. Reckon they should be allowed to? No different is it?

Capitalism will ALWAYS demand the unfettered right to exploit everybody and everything. Society reallised this years ago and passed laws to prevent them doing so. Laws that are in the interests of ALL of us, not just a selfish minority.

Interestingly, the commies did and still do, all those things to their people AND to their environments too. Must not be the political system but rather the human condition to take advantage when calling the shots eh?

**Big Dave** · 15th April 2006, 11:23

Originally Posted by Ixion

Why should the nursery dude be allowed to run his business the way he wants to, if it means trampling on other people.

Ha! - The point is not labour laws - but the banner under which they are applied.

I win - going to the hardware store now - like i would have done yesterday.

**Big Dave** · 15th April 2006, 11:24

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Not to split hairs - but in the interests of accuracy, the 'events' that Easter commemorates happened at the time of the cruxifiction (approx AD33) - not quite 2000 years ago

AND it was a hi-jack of the Pagan spring rituals

I write 'features' - accuracy has nothing to do with it.

**Buster** · 15th April 2006, 11:25

Whats the point of a holiday weekend if I cant even drive down the motorway because tom, dick and harry are all doing the same thing. I find more stressfull than relaxing. As for spending time with families.. Thats not up to an employer, thats up to the individual. Im the biggest fan of payed days off, dont get me wrong, but why all on the same stupid religious days?

Bah humbug.

**Highlander** · 15th April 2006, 11:26

I worked Yesterday (Good Friday) from 07:00 - 19:00. didn't get a choice (Warren).
Buster, if I (and others in this industry) didn't work your beer would get warm.
I have worked 7 of the last 10 Christmas days too so you can have chilled drinks and hot food.

Could I have rung in sick? - Yes probably, but then one of the other guys who had been rostered a day off (to spend with family) would have had an unplanned day on.

**oldrider** · 15th April 2006, 11:53

The religious holiday is just the reason for the holiday.
The reason shops are closed is because of the UNIONS.
Blame the right people.
The Labour government support the unions for their votes and financial support.
I believe if you own a business you should be able to trade whenever you like.
It should have nothing to do with anyone other than you and your customer.
If you want to employ people that is between you and the employee, no one else.
Compulsory Unions are just another form of indirect Taxation they play no part in the business relationship.
If they have a place it is a service agreement between the Union member and the union only and should be voluntary not compulsory.
So Dave don't blame the religion for your problem, blame the bloody socialist government that you guys keep on electing.

Helen Clark is only anti religion when it suits her.(bloody two faced bitch IMHO)

**Buster** · 15th April 2006, 11:56

Originally Posted by Highlander

I worked Yesterday (Good Friday) from 07:00 - 19:00. didn't get a choice (Warren).
Buster, if I (and others in this industry) didn't work your beer would get warm.
I have worked 7 of the last 10 Christmas days too so you can have chilled drinks and hot food.

Could I have rung in sick? - Yes probably, but then one of the other guys who had been rostered a day off (to spend with family) would have had an unplanned day on.

I understand totally. Same shit for me. I didnt mean sickies on days like yesterday, more like during the year. If you work those days like I do, do you ever think why you are there? Cant be doing it for jesus? Can we? Or are we just helping the church? I feel bitter when I think about it.

**MSTRS:Me** · 15th April 2006, 11:59

Originally Posted by oldrider

So Dave don't blame the religion for your problem, blame the bloody socialist government that you guys keep on electing.

Helen Clark is only anti religion when it suits her.(bloody two faced bitch IMHO)

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Really impressed, the man leaves the bar & decides to give the robot one more test. He goes out & returns, the robot serves him the drink & asks, "What's your IQ?"

The man replies, "Er, 70, I think."

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**Drunken Monkey** · 15th April 2006, 12:01

Originally Posted by Ixion

The very good reason is that it is not a fair go on the workers who do not have the ability to choose.

Haven't you heard of 'annual leave' ?

Originally Posted by Ixion

...Should the owner of the trucking business be exempt from the traffic laws so ..

I think it's a bit of stretch to say people are going to get hurt or killed if they open garden centres on public holidays. You're not comparing apples with apples there.

Originally Posted by Highlander

I worked Yesterday (Good Friday) from 07:00 - 19:00. didn't get a choice (Warren).

Tha's the price you pay for working in the hospitality industry. Not many bar tenders have to get up at 6am and sit in rush hour traffic to get to their pub by 8:30 though. There are ups and downs for every job...

**Jantar** · 15th April 2006, 12:02

Originally Posted by Ixion

The very good reason is that it is not a fair go on the workers who do not have the ability to choose.

And if someone does happen to be a Christian, have you considered that your choice, in the interests of the " secular, commercial. convenience-driven NZ way of life " is also depriving them of their rights.

Should factories , in the interests of " secular, commercial. convenience-driven NZ way of life " also be at liberty to pollute when and where they use. The capitalists would certainly say they should.

If you want a " secular, commercial. convenience-driven way of life " go to Bangkok , or Vietnam. I prefer the Kiwi way of life, where people matter more than profits.

If you really take that argument to its logical conclusion then all workers should get the day off, not just retail workers. So Bikeycop, Spudchucker and Scumdog, you can all go home and spend the day with your families. No policing required. Speedmedic, no accidents or illnesses today, so you can have the day off too.

I don't know what you'll all do at home, because you won't be able to cook or watch TV, or even go on the net... You see there wil be no electricity available as I'll be at home as well.

**Highlander** · 15th April 2006, 12:07

Bit of a shift sideways here, but the law of the land decrees that on a Public Holiday your employer must calculate your daily rate of pay and pay you time 1.5 for hours worked.

I note that the Blues played a game against the Force, in Auckland on Good Friday. Being profesional players they must therefore be paid time and a half, or are they deemed to be Contractors therefore responsable for their onw taxes, acc levies etc.....

Betcha the food and drink services at the game were still open. Did they add a surcharge like resturants, and Cafes do (even Dominos do on public holidays)....