Mad dogs, drug addicts...

[spudchucka]

That's exactly the problem,madandy. We're producing a generation of drivers that think keeping below the speed limit and wearing your seatbelt is all it takes to be a good driver. They exercise more skill operating a vacuum cleaner than driving a car.
Thank you LTSA.
BTW who's emailed the Ministers? It only takes a couple of minutes to flood these idiots inboxes. Limit the abuse though.
Lou

There is pretty much no driver education in this country, any halfwit that can pass a scratchy test ends up with a licence. Further to this problem is the abundance of high performance cars in the hands of school leavers and the fact that anyone can get endless finance.

The latest LTSA ads are extremely lame but I don't really care because if they make even one of these scratchy drivers licenced school leavers with a racing car think about what they are doing behind the wheel then I'll put up with the friggin ads (not that I watch the bloody things in the first place).

[Marmoot]

Send a carbon copy to New Zealand Herald

[MikeL]

"Fobbed" may not be the right expression. Ministers do get shitloads of mail and generally only respond if you ask them a question. "Rant" material will get sent to a policy analyst somewhere to consider.

Agree. It would be unrealistic to expect anything other than a form letter in reply, but that doesn't mean that we're being fobbed off. They will take notice if there are enough emails.

[scumdog]

Already did it :spudwhat:
I can't believe the stupidity of these Labour politicians who allow their LTSA minions to insult at least a million NZ drivers (possibly 2 million according to their own stats.). It seems that the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
It's another nail in the coffin of this collection of feminazi social engineers called the Labour party.
Lou

How the fuck can you insult 2 million drivers when 1.5 million show by their driving that they are too thick to be insulted

[scumdog]

There is pretty much no driver education in this country, any halfwit that can pass a scratchy test ends up with a licence. Further to this problem is the abundance of high performance cars in the hands of school leavers and the fact that anyone can get endless finance.

The latest LTSA ads are extremely lame but I don't really care because if they make even one of these scratchy drivers licenced school leavers with a racing car think about what they are doing behind the wheel then I'll put up with the friggin ads (not that I watch the bloody things in the first place).

Dead fuckin' right, some of those "scratchy" licence types hardly have enough breath in them to fog a mirror!!! Yhe whole test is too easy, the law should be that the speed you are allowed to do is linked with you IQ - some people would be going backwards!!

[scumdog]

The problem with this speeding is dangerous crap is that sends out a message that if you are driving within the speed limit you will be safe.Which is of course rubbish.
Crash at 99kmh and it wont look much different to 109kmh .

The advertising money needs to be spent on teaching that driving a vehicle of any type is potentialy dangerous no matter what the speed.

I would rather travel with an alert driver at 120kmh than with some people who are dangerous at 70kmh because they are doing just about everything but driving.

I think bike riders are (in the most part) safer road users because we only have one thing we can do and that is ride the bike. We cant change CD's (exceptions being Gold Wings and other super tourers ), fiddle with the radio, Text , apply makeup , eat , have kids screaming in the back seat etc etc...

Dave

You wanker, I\ve just been to a crash brcause the old guy backing his ute out of his garage though the other car was doing a 100kph when he was in fact doing a 120+ kph, "alert" didn't save that guy, the main things that save bike riders is that they see other roas users as dicks and driver accordingly

[Morepower]

You wanker, I\ve just been to a crash brcause the old guy backing his ute out of his garage though the other car was doing a 100kph when he was in fact doing a 120+ kph, "alert" didn't save that guy, the main things that save bike riders is that they see other roas users as dicks and driver accordingly

I will ignore the unneccessary personal insult. You seem to have missed the point of my message completely.
1.A good alert driver would not be doing 120+ where there was a likelyhood of anyone backing out of a Garage on to the road.
2. If the guy backing out saw the other car coming then it follows that the person speeding could see him backing out. A good driver (or rider) in this instance should be slowing down and thinking about what they will do if the reversing car keeps coming.

I could go on for hours about this, but a good driver drives to the environment and conditions and on occassions this will mean well under the posted speed limit.
A good driver or rider is thinking about what they are doing , too many are not and are driving while being distracted by other things, brainwashed into thinking that they are safe because they are driving within the speedlimit.

Dave

[Lou Girardin]

I will ignore the unneccessary personal insult. You seem to have missed the point of my message completely.
1.A good alert driver would not be doing 120+ where there was a likelyhood of anyone backing out of a Garage on to the road.
2. If the guy backing out saw the other car coming then it follows that the person speeding could see him backing out. A good driver (or rider) in this instance should be slowing down and thinking about what they will do if the reversing car keeps coming.

I could go on for hours about this, but a good driver drives to the environment and conditions and on occassions this will mean well under the posted speed limit.
A good driver or rider is thinking about what they are doing , too many are not and are driving while being distracted by other things, brainwashed into thinking that they are safe because they are driving within the speedlimit.

Dave

A beacon of commonsense shining through the fog of stupidity
Lou

[scumdog]

I will ignore the unneccessary personal insult. You seem to have missed the point of my message completely.
1.A good alert driver would not be doing 120+ where there was a likelyhood of anyone backing out of a Garage on to the road.
2. If the guy backing out saw the other car coming then it follows that the person speeding could see him backing out. A good driver (or rider) in this instance should be slowing down and thinking about what they will do if the reversing car keeps coming.

I could go on for hours about this, but a good driver drives to the environment and conditions and on occassions this will mean well under the posted speed limit.
A good driver or rider is thinking about what they are doing , too many are not and are driving while being distracted by other things, brainwashed into thinking that they are safe because they are driving within the speedlimit.

Dave

SORRY about the personal insult, I was fired up about the crash I mentione - that and the half bottle of Glenfiddich whiskey I had drunk did it
However "good" the rider is, he/she can't compensate for the other brain dead types around them hence we have to bow to the lowest common deniminator- the brain dead idiots "driving" around us.
Your last comment smacks of those that thought wearing seatbelts would encourage bad driving because the drivers would feel they were safe if they crashed

[madandy]

A beacon of commonsense shining through the fog of stupidity
Lou

The only people who would agree with you, Lou are driving/riding enthusiasts.
The other 2.8 million(or however many) roadusers would rather teleport if it were possible and drive/ride out of sheer neccessity.That is the root of the problem...they don't give a shit...you could explain to them the virtues of driver training, escape route pre-planning, emergancy braking techniques cornering physics, machine maintenance, blah,blah,blah.They just wanna get to where they are going and god help any one who gets in their way.
Until that attitue is changed-and how would you go about enthusing the great un-washed - lessening the damage caused at impact, in an accident, by forcing drivers to slow down is potentially the most effective and cheapest way to reduce the road toll in the opinion of the wizards at the LTSA.

I sincerely wish we could educate drivers at the Learners stage to an adequate level of driving competence.It's a cultural thing...driving standards are generally higher in nations where citizens have a closer relationship to manufacturers, racing heritage, and a hundred years, or more of dense city traffic.I believe our driving culture will mature in time...nothing short of electing petrol heads into all positions of authority in local, and national government will help the current direction of policy

[madandy]

However "good" the rider is, he/she can't compensate for the other brain dead types around them hence we have to bow to the lowest common deniminator- the brain dead idiots "driving" around us.
Your last comment smacks of those that thought wearing seatbelts would encourage bad driving because the drivers would feel they were safe if they crashed

or the they will think they're better with ABS brakes syndrome...and countless ski bums who wrecked 'un-crashable' Subaru 4x4 wagons...

You just cant tell some people how to drive correctly.
If forced to slow down the net result IS less fatalaties and less 'loss of control' related incidents.

[Lou Girardin]

If forced to slow down the net result IS less fatalaties and less 'loss of control' related incidents.

Sorry, but accident figures don't agree with you. Since the advent of high profile, rigid enforcement 4 years ago, which reportedly has reduced average speeds by 2 - 3 km/h, fatal and injury accidents have steadily risen.
Somethings not working.
Lou

[scumdog]

Sorry, but accident figures don't agree with you. Since the advent of high profile, rigid enforcement 4 years ago, which reportedly has reduced average speeds by 2 - 3 km/h, fatal and injury accidents have steadily risen.
Somethings not working.
Lou

Lou, sure the figure has climbed by a small amount but when measured against the exta vehicle on the road and total kilometres driven the trend is still downwards as a percentage - I have access to the figure and if I had a scanner I would print them out for you, believe me it is not quite how the doomsayers tell you.

[pete376403]

While not doubting your figures, the old "lies, damned lies and statistics" comes to mind. LTSA could publish figures that show the road toll coming down (to show how well enforcment is working) then turn round and use those same figures to show how the toll is going up (as justification for more cameras, harsher enforcement, higher licensing fees, etc)

[MD]

Sorry, but accident figures don't agree with you. Since the advent of high profile, rigid enforcement 4 years ago, which reportedly has reduced average speeds by 2 - 3 km/h, fatal and injury accidents have steadily risen.
Somethings not working.
Lou

Too right Lou. There is definitely a wrong time and place for any form of speeding or silly antics but a rigid enforcement that says step one millimentre over this arbitrary limit and you are instantly branded a dangerous person irrespective of the conditions, isn't reasonable in my books.
Sorry if I've posted this before BUT, the official results from London Transport Authority after a year of congestion tax raised an anomaly the Police admitted "puzzled them" 1. average speed in inner London increased by 20% and 2. the accident rate DECREASED by 30%. Brit motorways move more traffic much faster than ours but I always felt safer because they 'collectively' drove better.