Busted! How do you contest it?

**Racey Rider** · 30th April 2006, 08:37

Originally Posted by Bykey Cop

Would be interesting to see what he put on his copy of the ticket and you could ask for a copy of that and the patrol vehicle's speedo calibration certificate...

I would not normally give advice on how to get off a ticket but you gotta play by the rules....

Where can one find a copy of the Cops 'Rules for engagement' for speeding tickets?
(ie. must be straight on to approching vehicle, no big trees/building in the way of radar, only one 'customer/victim' in the radar beam at the time.)

And is it the 'Radar calibration certificate' that you ask for, for radar stopped tickets? How often does the Radar calibration certificate have to be obtained?

Racey

**spudchucka** · 30th April 2006, 09:25

Originally Posted by Racey Rider

Where can one find a copy of the Cops 'Rules for engagement' for speeding tickets?

http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/

Scroll down to "Other Reports". The Speed Enforcement Guide is located third item down on the list.

**spudchucka** · 30th April 2006, 09:26

Originally Posted by adifferentname

next time you see a cop bust a cap into him

What a hardcore gangsta.

**spudchucka** · 30th April 2006, 09:27

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Who or what is the PIB?

Police Infringement Bureau.

**Patrick** · 30th April 2006, 09:58

Originally Posted by spudchucka

What a hardcore gangsta.

What a hardcore fuckwit....

**grego** · 30th April 2006, 10:00

cause if you write a letter, stating why they should be nice to you, the miserable sods will use it by turning your facts around and use it against you.
EG. you say : There was virtually no traffic. this will read: "there was medium denstity traffic"

You say: no other members of the public where endangered ! itwill say: The lady with the pram had to take advisive action, virtually "jump" back to save the baby,s life.

You get the drift. Wait for your infringement to come in the mail. The only reply you give is that you will contest it in court.
Prepare to cross examine the traffic cop. This time YOU will be fresh and prepared and he will be on the back foot.
Never accuse the cop of lying. He is an sworn officer of the law and the judge has to belive him. Bombard him with all sorts of trivia question like why did you have to drive 140km to catch up when you claim I was only going fractionally over the limit etc.

Where were you when you actually saw me first ??
What made you think I was speeding considering you had no radar. Try to gety him into a position where he has to admit that that you might be right and he could be mistaken, once you got him there the judge has to belive you that if the cop cannot remember exactly he might also be wrong.
The cop does not have a strong case and our speedos are very inaccurate to.

Cops hate having to go to court and be crossexamined cause they know that you have heeeeaaps of time preparing yourself because you got only one case-yours, after weeks they cannot remember whether you were actually coming or going.

The crux of the matter though is: Do you think you could have fun doing it ???
If not, just pay up !!!!!

**Patrick** · 30th April 2006, 10:03

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Who or what is the PIB?

From the above I understand that it is the 'issuing officer' who 'decides' whether to proceed with the infringment notice.

Skyryder

Issuing officer writes out the ticket and his notes on the back of his copy. Request these notes when you write in to the PIB (Police Infringement Bureau - the address at the bottom of the ticket...) with your letter of protest/explanation... under these circumstances as explained, the PIB would most likely cancel the infringement and not continue with it (the decision to enforce it is with the PIB.)

Not sure why wait for a month though... show enthusiasm to sort the matter now... looks better too if you're that peeved...haven't taken the time to think up of "lame excuses..."

**WINJA** · 30th April 2006, 10:15

its good to write a letter , even if you dont get off it will start to ring some bells if the same pig keeps writing tickets like this.
id like to see a system in nz where cops that write tickets like this and it goes to court and it was a bullshit ticket and you get off the pig has his wages docked $50 a week untill the court costs are paid , thatll fucken teach them , obviously the good cops out there have nothing to worry about cause our excellent justice system will always get it right

**WINJA** · 30th April 2006, 10:19

Originally Posted by adifferentname

next time you see a cop bust a cap into him

no ticket.........

THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE BEST ADVICE YET, OR GET SOMETHING FASTER THAN A TL SO YOU CAN DO A RUNNER

**SixPackBack** · 30th April 2006, 10:32

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**cowpoos** · 30th April 2006, 10:34

Originally Posted by WINJA

THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE BEST ADVICE YET, OR GET SOMETHING FASTER THAN A TL SO YOU CAN DO A RUNNER

like a street magic you poofter!!!

**Patrick** · 30th April 2006, 11:47

Originally Posted by grego

cause if you write a letter, stating why they should be nice to you, the miserable sods will use it by turning your facts around and use it against you.
EG. you say : There was virtually no traffic. this will read: "there was medium denstity traffic"

You say: no other members of the public where endangered ! itwill say: The lady with the pram had to take advisive action, virtually "jump" back to save the baby,s life.

You get the drift. Wait for your infringement to come in the mail. The only reply you give is that you will contest it in court.
Prepare to cross examine the traffic cop. This time YOU will be fresh and prepared and he will be on the back foot.
Never accuse the cop of lying. He is an sworn officer of the law and the judge has to belive him. Bombard him with all sorts of trivia question like why did you have to drive 140km to catch up when you claim I was only going fractionally over the limit etc.

Where were you when you actually saw me first ??
What made you think I was speeding considering you had no radar. Try to gety him into a position where he has to admit that that you might be right and he could be mistaken, once you got him there the judge has to belive you that if the cop cannot remember exactly he might also be wrong.
The cop does not have a strong case and our speedos are very inaccurate to.

Cops hate having to go to court and be crossexamined cause they know that you have heeeeaaps of time preparing yourself because you got only one case-yours, after weeks they cannot remember whether you were actually coming or going.

The crux of the matter though is: Do you think you could have fun doing it ???
If not, just pay up !!!!!

As someone said just before, don't trust bush lawyers...

here is a classic case...

Simply write in as stated. Won't necessasrily get to court, no more time wasted. If it gets to court, you will get your say and be able to ask Questions as Gregor says, but why wait for it to go that far?

"Judge has to believe him?" Ppffft....

As for cops hating going to court... Yeah right...., gives em a day off writing out crap tickets! Gotta Love that...

**sAsLEX** · 30th April 2006, 11:51

Originally Posted by nadroj

Yes he could have & probably would have.
Costs = lawyer + court costs & depending on your attitude in court as to how much the judge decides to punish you.

I was doing well over 300kmhr officer.

Trundles up to court with top speed figure for bike.

**terbang** · 30th April 2006, 11:58

Also in your letter to the PIB (?) point out that this speed guessing prick admitted to doing 140 Kays (thats more than double of what he reckons you are doing and 90 kays over the limit) in a 50 kay area to catch you up. Who was the real Speeder/Hazard here..?

**Patrick** · 30th April 2006, 12:00

Originally Posted by terbang

Also in your letter to the PIB (?) point out that this speed guessing prick admitted to doing 140 Kays (thats more than double of what he reckons you are doing and 90 kays over the limit) in a 50 kay area to catch you up. Who was the real Speeder/Hazard here..?

That alone is probably enough to toss it...