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    Ahem... The Land Transport Safety Authority (LTSA) became Land Transport New Zealand (LTNZ) a year ago. Let's make sure we rant about the right thing...
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    so they're not fussed about safety any more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    Ahem... The Land Transport Safety Authority (LTSA) became Land Transport New Zealand (LTNZ) a year ago. Let's make sure we rant about the right thing...
    Nah fuck off, I have given up trying to keep up with bloody management gunnmint types changing their names every few months etc

    One of my bosses/superiors has changed their title about six times in the last year, a waste of fuckin money and time and at least I can still just call him sir, but when someone says do you know where LICTO? another point is do they just try and invent stupid bloody acronyms?

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    Ah, this is a funny read. Yep, it's just govt departments doing what govt departments do when they have no accountability. Let's face it - that's what it is. In the private sector you'd get hung drawn and quartered if you ever took a case like this to court, let alone the additional cost of the appeals process. LTNZ clearly have too much funding if they can afford to do this, AND feed gas guzzling revenue collection machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WINJA
    for being such pig headed idiots the people at ltsa responsible should be fired
    Also, public servants who bring these "petty" cases to court and then lose the case - the reparations should be forcibly deducted from their budgets. Once they know that if they fu*k up and have their budget reduced because of it, they might get the idea that playing nicely is in their favour...
    The same goes for the police with bringing charges that are unsubstantiated ("let's throw 10 charges at this person and see if any stick").
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop
    The same goes for the police with bringing charges that are unsubstantiated ("let's throw 10 charges at this person and see if any stick").
    Please define "unsubstantiated" for the benefit of your readers. I presume you are not referring to Police prosecutions where they are unsuccessful in securing a conviction.

    All Police prosecutions face rigorous scrutiny before any are taken to Court. There are severe penalties for "wasting the Court's time". And besides, it is not in the Police's interests to lose cases in Court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    Please define "unsubstantiated" for the benefit of your readers. I presume you are not referring to Police prosecutions where they are unsuccessful in securing a conviction.

    All Police prosecutions face rigorous scrutiny before any are taken to Court. There are severe penalties for "wasting the Court's time". And besides, it is not in the Police's interests to lose cases in Court.
    Don't spoil a good yarn...

    Anyhow, back on track - I've just imported a classic Yank Tank, need 'vinned' and from what I hear the check is fairly vigourous to see the vehicle is safe for NZ roads.
    The rumour mill says that all interior trim is taken off for inspection, that disc pads (new in my case) will be removed and checked if they are listed as up to NZ standards ( they have a listing for a '66 T-Bird?)and replaced if not etc etc. This is just the tip of the iceberg apparently.
    Does ANYBODY on this site know the truth of the matter?
    I only want to go through the check once as I have to frieght the car a round trip of 160km to be checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    Ahem... The Land Transport Safety Authority (LTSA) became Land Transport New Zealand (LTNZ) a year ago. Let's make sure we rant about the right thing...
    Apparently they haven't kept up with play.
    go to www.ltnz.govt.nz and see what happens...

    www.ltsa.govt.nz has nice new graphics, but that stinketh IHMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickingzebra
    Apparently they haven't kept up with play.
    go to www.ltnz.govt.nz and see what happens...
    You could try going to www.landtransport.govt.nz and see what happens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    You could try going to www.landtransport.govt.nz and see what happens...
    Fair, but I got the link off the government services website www.govt.nz

    Standard practice would be to insert a link to say, we have changed name and address, redirection in progress.

    The cost of endless departmental renaming? Very high. The benefits? yet to be seen in a century of parliamental reign in this country, can we still not make a name accurate enough to last for more than one parties term in power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    Please define "unsubstantiated" for the benefit of your readers. I presume you are not referring to Police prosecutions where they are unsuccessful in securing a conviction.
    Correct, this is not simply referring to an unsuccessful conviction.
    Charges of, for example, multiple events of the same thing being laid. Instead of "stepping on the cracks in the pavement x 8" being the charge and this charge being laid, instead we see multiple charges for exactly the same time, date, place, etc, details. (OK - perhaps a bad analogy & explanation here... hopefully the readers will get the idea)
    This is basically a shotgun approach ("let's see if we get lucky with one charge getting a conviction") where a jury might think that there are "lots" of charges against the person and hint at a guilty/naughty person. Theft or receiving would be high on the list of suitability in this category.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher
    All Police prosecutions face rigorous scrutiny before any are taken to Court. There are severe penalties for "wasting the Court's time". And besides, it is not in the Police's interests to lose cases in Court.
    You are correct here. Luckily the crown prosecutors get to see what the skills are like of the average policeman, and can veto "unwarranted" charges or those that will not, in their eyes, stand up in court or be successful.

    Unfortunately the defendants lawyers have to fight to get this nonsense corrected, and the defendant is forking over lots of $$'s in the meantime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop
    You are correct here. Luckily the crown prosecutors get to see what the skills are like of the average policeman, and can veto "unwarranted" charges or those that will not, in their eyes, stand up in court or be successful.

    Unfortunately the defendants lawyers have to fight to get this nonsense corrected, and the defendant is forking over lots of $$'s in the meantime.
    Except that Crown Prosecutors don'y handle minor offences (traffic), that's over to the Police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop
    Charges of, for example, multiple events of the same thing being laid.
    Sometimes the law itself makes such practice a necessity. For example, an animal welfare case involving the chronic neglect of a herd of 256 dairy cows, requires 256 cases of animal neglect to be filed. Apparently this is the only way the "magnitude" of the alleged crime can be expressed. Such an approach could cause some concerns if learned counsel for the defense were able to prove that Daisy wasn't as badly treated as some of her work mates...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    Don't spoil a good yarn...

    Anyhow, back on track - I've just imported a classic Yank Tank, need 'vinned' and from what I hear the check is fairly vigourous to see the vehicle is safe for NZ roads.
    The rumour mill says that all interior trim is taken off for inspection, that disc pads (new in my case) will be removed and checked if they are listed as up to NZ standards ( they have a listing for a '66 T-Bird?)and replaced if not etc etc. This is just the tip of the iceberg apparently.
    Does ANYBODY on this site know the truth of the matter?
    I only want to go through the check once as I have to frieght the car a round trip of 160km to be checked.

    PM me with any info if you don't want to post here.
    Yes SD, that is just the tip of the iceberg. Interior being stripped out is a given, they're checking for structual, rust or other damage. Also for dodgy repairs carried out. Disc pads and possibly rotors as well. If any repairs are required you will need to have them checked off as it's done, I know of one guy who spent over $20,000 on an old Merc, got it looking mint and repaired as asked. Only problem was he didn't have the repairs checked out as they were completed, cue one upset owner as he had to take his car to bits again to have it all checked over. PM me if you want more detailed info.

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    And the compliance check can be a little suspect too - I've had them rejected on non approved disc pads,when the pads were approved and on their list....ticking of boxes without actualy looking.

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