Unbundling of the local loop

[sAsLEX]

Telecom 3G is bollocks.
Just smoke n mirrors and big bollocks, cos they wanted to be the first on the market with it..

Just like their recent upgrade! ha Like uprgading from a ltr sports bike to an anemic 1.3 car and saying but look you have more cc's


Oh and 3g in general aint that popular and uptake in places where it counts like Europe et al aint that big, WiMAX on the other hand is slated as the next Wi-Fi with Intel putting its hand in its pocket to develop a wi-fi/wiMAX chip, dont see many 3g ready lap tops on the market do you?!>

[bugjuice]

give it 10 years, Hitcher, then it might be half decent here..

[sAsLEX]

Maybe in Albany, but try rural Central Otago.

http://www.intel.com/netcomms/techno...xperiences.htm

bottom example mate

EDIT and clicky http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10363291

[Hitcher]

I know Telecom are crap, but they are still a good investment and will bounce back. Crikey, if we were worried about getting shares in ethical companies, the share market would be miniscule.

Telecom is just a utility company. Utilities are never "star" performers in terms of their shares. The only reason it rates in New Zealand is that it our largest publicly listed company and dominates the whole NZX (such that that is), and has received priviledged regulatory treatment from successive governments since it was corporatised.

[bugjuice]

Oh and 3g in general aint that popular and uptake in places where it counts like Europe et al aint that big, WiMAX on the other hand is slated as the next Wi-Fi with Intel putting its hand in its pocket to develop a wi-fi/wiMAX chip, dont see many 3g ready lap tops on the market do you?!>

I read in this months' NetGuide, that WiMax is capable of being accessed up to 50kms from tower to tower. By comparison, Wi-Fi 'g' is good for 100m.

bring on commercial WiMax I reckon..

[sAsLEX]

I read in this months' NetGuide, that WiMax is capable of being accessed up to 50kms from tower to tower. By comparison, Wi-Fi 'g' is good for 100m.

bring on commercial WiMax I reckon..

yes but only in the Line Of Sight configuration for static users. It is cool, but 802.16e a wimax part will allow mobile access at vehicular speeds!

The high ranges are only for static like roof top attenas and then a different part of WiMAX is used to get to the modem on your desk, or in you lap top, just did a 15 page report on it so have a fair idea on it.

What will end up happening is Wi-Fi will remain the standard for hotspots etc its just that the service to these will be provided by WiMAX

[Insanity_rules]

heres another player.. mobile broadband...here

big fat finger to teleskum

Hate to burst your bubble here, I'm also a telescum hater. A lot of my clients have tried 3G data and the coverage seriously sux. It keeps cutting down to GPRS speed and thats slooooooow.
Funny was I had a client in Miramar (Peter Jacksonville) who lived right near a LARGE bill board for 3G and couldnt even get a 3G signal.

Good price but they really need to increase the coverage.

I've been in the industry for about 10+ years and seen a lot come and go. The main problems with new players are the fact that there aren't enough population wize to make them fly! The investment in backbone is too great given our geographic spread and topography.

Telstra has seriously pulled back as they arent making money out of us and telescum while their customer service sux and their technology is OLD, it tends to work more reliably than in most places in the world. Large parts of the US for example get crappy mobile coverage in major metro areas and it takes nearly a month to get a new land line on.

Unbundling the local loop on this current proposal will probably have a degrading effect on the infrastructure as the proposed fees for new carriers dont allow enough money to keep investing what telescum does currently in maintenance of the network. Although it sux we need a interconnection agreement that works but its a catch 22.

[sAsLEX]

bring on commercial WiMax I reckon..

The technology for WiMAX is actually the IEEE standard 802.16 and is in use round the world for wireless apps, only thing it is proprietary, ie one companies things dont work with another (unlike Wi-Fi). WiMAX is looking to standardise this so that your laptop will work in all WiMAX zones not just Toshiba ones as an example

[metric]

about fookin time

[cowpoos]

3G is poos,

EH!!! hay....eh hore....wats your boggle!!!!!

[boomer]

Hate to burst your bubble here, I'm also a telescum hater. A lot of my clients have tried 3G data and the coverage seriously sux. It keeps cutting down to GPRS speed and thats slooooooow.
Funny was I had a client in Miramar (Peter Jacksonville) who lived right near a LARGE bill board for 3G and couldnt even get a 3G signal.

Good price but they really need to increase the coverage.

I've been in the industry for about 10+ years and seen a lot come and go. The main problems with new players are the fact that there aren't enough population wize to make them fly! The investment in backbone is too great given our geographic spread and topography.

Burst my bubble? i'm the manager for a certain Telco with 14years experience

Advertising is just that..advertising... it aint gonna give your phone or other device a signal Coverage aint a bill board. i bet you believ e it when ....Red bull says it gives u wings.. Mastercard tells u your experiences using it are priceless.... maccona tells you you can get laid by a sexy finish chick... The banks tell you that mortgages are cheap....Coke tells us we can have fun with our friends.... Easy Off Bam tells us we can have clean ovens QUICK....Yellow pages tells us we can be be crap at golf and own our won business'.

I say Bollox!!!!

[Insanity_rules]

Burst my bubble? i'm the manager for a certain Telco with 14years experience

Advertising is just that..advertising... it aint gonna give your phone or other device a signal Coverage aint a bill board. i bet you believ e it when ....Red bull says it gives u wings.. Mastercard tells u your experiences using it are priceless.... maccona tells you you can get laid by a sexy finish chick... The banks tell you that mortgages are cheap....Coke tells us we can have fun with our friends.... Easy Off Bam tells us we can have clean ovens QUICK....Yellow pages tells us we can be be crap at golf and own our won business'.

I say Bollox!!!!

Dont get me wrong, its a good price and all that but I'd like to believe that voda has sorted the 3G coverage issues when reality and experience tells me they haven't.

I'm not that naive to believe advertising but my clients believe it. And when you gotta break it to them that the technology they just bought on the strength of that advertising isn't going to do what they think its going to do it kinda sux.

The sales staff for telecom and vodafone don't help any as they're not really trained to tell you what its going to do in the real world, they're trained using said advertising (I know I used to sell and sales manage for both Voda and telescum).

Quite often too that product or service is sold with a contract that has to remain connected for a set amount of time not allowing the purchaser to change it for something more suitable if said service doesn't live up to its hype.

I firmly believe that using a CDMA/GPRS or even a satelite type backbone for calls and data are the way forward rather than clumsy fixed cabling as the cost of upgrading the network technology is far less when rolling it out over a population.

14 years in one industry like telecomunications these days is an impressive record but I'm amazed that your not just a little more jaded like me. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the value of this perception. At least you ride a Honda and that shows you have good taste.

[Lou Girardin]

This is biker politics and law?

[James Deuce]

"CDMA/GPRS or even a satelite type"

All suck for bursty positional data - i.e. Internet gaming, the second biggest Internet "interactive" data generator after pR0n.

All I can say about unbundling is: Be careful what you ask for; you may just get it.

[Cookie]

"CDMA/GPRS or even a satelite type"

All suck for bursty positional data [...]

Yep - and in my experience wireless can suck with "rain fade" and problems like "things" being between you and the nearest station. That's crap.

From this weeks Computerworld re: Telecom's current bullsh!t "Faster, Cheaper" offer:

...Asked if it wasn't reasonable for customers to expect both faster and cheaper broadband, Berry says Telecom's "high-level advertising" states "faster, cheaper broadband" - without an "and" to separate the words.
Therefore, customers can expect one or the other, but not both at the same time....

The rabbits were in charge of the lettuce patch.