Poor old Telecom

[danb]

The rate u buy is max line / electrical rate you get between your modem and the other end of the tcom network. Read the manual for your modem it will tell u how to check the line rate that your modem "tunes" to when its going.

Not sure where u get your speed test from.

If u have the Adventure (3.5 M ?) then the line rate should be at least that.

If u can see the exchange and your line rate is still low then it is more than likely your house wiring that is the problem.

House hold wiring has allot to do with the capable speed of your Internet connection - I have proved it myself - I could not get over 1.5mbs "line" speed where I used to have the router in my house, now that I moved the router to the entry point where the telephone line comes into the house I get around 3mbs line speed the last time I checked - with bit stream with some modems/routers you cannot find out your true line speed anymore as they are using line speed as the Internet speed limit from what I gather.

[danb]

Unbundling is about the copper access stuff not the "core".

The point I was trying to make is that telecom could provide allot better service them selves instead of strangling everyone with there current prices. Also people are thinking that telecom is / will get overwhelmed if heaps of people go onto the 3.5Mbs connections where its actually the ISP that is the problem.

[Ghost Lemur]

Never mind that, what about MY bonus!!!!! Staff are already talking about how this will affect their jobs........

Couldn't agree more, Teresa is still going to . It wont affect jobs, but it almost certainly WILL affect OUR bonus.

BTW which floor/building are you? I'm 7th floor, Corportate.

Share price has dropped from approx $5.54 to around $5.00 flat in less than 24 hours

Actually it dropped there in about and hour, and tappered off. Has been stable around the $5.00 mark ever since. Personally I was hoping for it to drop a little lower as I was/am planning to make a lump sum purchase along with my usual Employee share purchase this month.

I wonder how many people like Roger Kerr got the nod from Telecom before they told the behive about the leak and offloaded their shares before the market price droped

Highly unlikely. You can be highly sure the Securities Commision will be looking very closely over any recent Telecom trades.


Personally (as an investor, Telecom employee, and as a consumer - not of Telecom broadband ) I'm happy. I look forward to the day when Telecom has Operational Seperation. You only need to look at BT to see what a positive effect it can have on both the incumbent, competitors and consumers.

As for the same old same old bollocks about the sparceness of this country being to blame, I don't see Sweeden or Finland making those same excuses. Nor has LLU, price regulations, government involvement, operational seperation, etc. stopped ALL players from investing, if anything it's forced players to invest more to keep up with their competition.

Certainly is a fun time to be in the game.

[Zapf]

[QUOTE=danb]House hold wiring has allot to do with the capable speed of your Internet connection - I have proved it myself -...QUOTE]

yes your home's cabling can cause problems. But that is your problem. But anyone who needs a 3.5Mbps or 7Mbps of constant bandwidth is too greedy.

The way that DSL speed is capped is at the exchange. hence your DSL modem only sees say 1024kbps if you are on a 1Mbps plan.

[Zapf]

The point I was trying to make is that telecom could provide allot better service them selves instead of strangling everyone with there current prices. Also people are thinking that telecom is / will get overwhelmed if heaps of people go onto the 3.5Mbs connections where its actually the ISP that is the problem.

3.5Mbps connection is to the exchange anyway... who said you'll have 3.5Mbps to where ever you are connecting to?

ISP's pay thru the NOSE for the international bandwidth... it is people who share music / movies / software using P2P applications that is using shit loads of it and maxing out their 3.5Mbps data rate constantly. Everyone gets a better deal if P2P traffic is reduced. And not like people will really suffer without the latest music or movie...

Now the bad part of unbundling would be where does your internet money go... to a NZ company... (is there anyone other than Telecom)? or an Aussy company and then the profit being shipped across Tasman.

And which other NZ company other than Telecom who has the $$$$$$ to invest in improving the network.

Ever thought if a big Aussy company got confortable with the network and operation in NZ what is to stop them moving most of it to Aussy? Good luck to anyone in NZ who wants to get a high level ISP techie job in NZ.....

[Dafe]

The Gummint screwed the pooch when they privatised Telescam, this lot are just fixing National's stuff up 16 years later.
Besides, if most other OECD countries can have cheaper, faster internet, why can't we?

Simple, Because this Labour Government has so many benefits in place now and so many resident beneficiaries and immigrating refugees pooring into this country that they no longer have a wealth of money for injecting into public services or privatised services via government subsidisation.

You say National stuffed up Telecom.
I say Labour has stuffed up New Zealand.

[Dafe]

Anyone got shares in Telstra Clear?? I've would've bought some if I had any money ........ but if I had that much money I'd buy another bike ........ so meh

Telstra Clear have already evaluated the possibility of installing a cellphone Network in New Zealand and the corporate backing from Australia wouldn't support it, so Telstra Clear will never be on the same level as Vodafone or Telecom.

[danb]

yes your home's cabling can cause problems. But that is your problem. But anyone who needs a 3.5Mbps or 7Mbps of constant bandwidth is too greedy.

Im presuming then you are still on Dialup if you are going to say that. 2Mb has only just got good enough to stream video on. Why put up with slow downloads when you don’t have to in this day and age. Faster the better!

3.5Mbps connection is to the exchange anyway... who said you'll have 3.5Mbps to where ever you are connecting to?

That’s why I said the ISP have allot to do with it and they need to sort there networks out as well.

ISP's pay thru the NOSE for the international bandwidth... it is people who share music / movies / software using P2P applications that is using shit loads of it and maxing out their 3.5Mbps data rate constantly. Everyone gets a better deal if P2P traffic is reduced. And not like people will really suffer without the latest music or movie...

Has anyone really known to max out there 2 or 3.5mb connections on P2P applications for a long duration of time?

Now the bad part of unbundling would be where does your internet money go... to a NZ company... (is there anyone other than Telecom)? or an Aussy company and then the profit being shipped across Tasman.

Telecom has a 51% share in the Southern Cross Cable - As for now they should / could provide cheaper International Traffic to the ISP’s.

And which other NZ company other than Telecom who has the $$$$$$ to invest in improving the network.

Ever thought if a big Aussy company got confortable with the network and operation in NZ what is to stop them moving most of it to Aussy? Good luck to anyone in NZ who wants to get a high level ISP techie job in NZ.....

Very true about the cost of building a decent infrastructure - Telecom now has it so I don’t know why they are not using it and keeping there customers comfy. I call it shitting in there own nest lol

[danb]

Telstra Clear have already evaluated the possibility of installing a cellphone Network in New Zealand and the corporate backing from Australia wouldn't support it, so Telstra Clear will never be on the same level as Vodafone or Telecom.

We don’t need another cell phone network - 2 is enough for a country of this size - Vodafone does a pretty good job - If Telstra did there own I cant see how they also could keep the costs down especially on the initial setup costs to do it. Internet is the biggest problem we have at the moment.

[Mental Trousers]

We don’t need another cell phone network - 2 is enough for a country of this size - Vodafone does a pretty good job - If Telstra did there own I cant see how they also could keep the costs down especially on the initial setup costs to do it. Internet is the biggest problem we have at the moment.

Yup. And crap like data caps, poor upload speeds and coverage are the very things that drove this decision.

Oh, and here goes any work I wanted done on my bike .....

[The_Dover]

No it's not because you have not said how that was paid for and who built it and why. There are 22,000 people on the island which is a lot bigger than a lot of our rural areas. Add in that they are close to the UK and BT can order billions of dollars woth of equipment and get good prices.

I've built systems into a lot of these places and it's a freaking nightmare. You can do anything but the costs are very high. One of the biggest problem in NZ is the distance most rural people live from the exchange. DSLAMs have a certain range and most of them live a long way past whatever that is. So we build little roadside cabinets and drop fibre into the ground for maybe 10 customers?

Oh I dunno... Lets wait and see, I'm just a dumb cunt that spent too many years sitting on top of mountains in the rain relaying emergency calls or sitting in damp ditches at 3am while plonkers told me how soft I had it and how i was ripping them off.

Do you have any idea of the population density and the geographical nature of the islands? It's a sparsely populated, peat bog and rock infested shithole covered in big fuckin hills and sheep. Sound familiar mainlanders? The majority of the 22,000 live in a couple of major centres but the old man is in the sticks.

I do not doubt the scale of the job is greater in NZ but most of the Scottish Highlands also have broadband.

Telecom have been making excuses for far too long, who gives a fuck if it costs them. I'm sure that fat dyke Theresa's christmas bonus would go a long way to facilitating the provision of broadband to a few yokels in the middle of bumfucksville.

I can't believe the bitch even needs a bonus, can't be hard running a monopoly. They sell, we buy. No choice and all.

[Lias]

The argument about rural access doesnt carry any weight with me. People who live in remote areas SHOULD expect to pay much larger amounts of coin to get power / phone / whatever has to be run out to them. They choose to live in the country, they want cheap power and phone they can move to a city. I'd be quite happy if we ditched the kiwishare entirely with regards to non urban areas. You can generally get meat etc alot cheaper in the country than you can in the city, but you dont see city dwellers demand that we all pay the same price for a side of beef do you?

PS: I've spent several years living in the boonies in the assend of nowhere in the rangitikei so I'm not just some townie speaking shit.

As for the proposal, I hope Telecom's share price keeps dropping. I hope it drops so far the company goes under. Then the government can buy them back out, turn it into a non profit organisation dedicated simply to cheap telecoms services for urban NZ'ers, and provide me with uncapped 10gb fiber to my home with no contention and non data cap (hell a bloke can dream cant he?)

Also, Theresa gauttang seriously needs to be gangraped to death by a horde of wellhung pornstars. Assuming they could stop vomitting long enough to shag her to death.

[Paul in NZ]

Do you have any idea of the population density and the geographical nature of the islands? It's a sparsely populated, peat bog and rock infested shithole covered in big fuckin hills and sheep. Sound familiar mainlanders? The majority of the 22,000 live in a couple of major centres but the old man is in the sticks.

I do not doubt the scale of the job is greater in NZ but most of the Scottish Highlands also have broadband.

Telecom have been making excuses for far too long, who gives a fuck if it costs them. I'm sure that fat dyke Theresa's christmas bonus would go a long way to facilitating the provision of broadband to a few yokels in the middle of bumfucksville.

I can't believe the bitch even needs a bonus, can't be hard running a monopoly. They sell, we buy. No choice and all.

Sorry - I really didn't give a very good reply did I?

I guess what I have been trying to say is that I have actually had a good go at solving a lot of the issues you describe through building things, designing things and testing other peoples things.

I tested (or arranged to be tested) everything of any size that gets connected to their network for the last few years and I've seen a LOT of whacky technology thats gunna do this an that.... and still you have trouble!! There is no good business reason to provide these services and they are in the business of providing a profit for their shareholders, not to look after the community, thats what happened when we sold it to them.

[Paul in NZ]

Also, Theresa gauttang seriously needs to be gangraped to death by a horde of wellhung pornstars. Assuming they could stop vomitting long enough to shag her to death.

Well thats just brilliant!

Actually, she is a very clever and capable person that has a HUGE workload. One that would probably kill you in 3 weeks. I'm jealous of her salary too but I don't have the balls to make the sacrifices she has. My hope is you will go back and delete that part of your post...

[Ixion]

,, business of providing a profit for their shareholders, not to look after the community, thats what happened when we sold it to them.

Hence the fundamental problem. An essential community service is totally controlled by an organisation that does not, and can not, have community interest as one of its objectives.

Solution: nationalise them . Simple. Sorted.