Do Police Post Tickets? (much?)

**Kwaka-Kid** · 28th March 2003, 07:24

ive heard they can do it. Buthave any of you ever received on inthe mail? not from a camera?

The other night my friend was coming home @ about midnight, and decided to start windingup 3rd gear... managed to get around 3x the posted limit, and then slowed down for a corner to around 70-80k and a cop car came around the corner, and it slowed immediatly, but in the short time before going around the corner that he had looking in his rear vision mirror, the cop car slowed *brake lights( but never indicated nor looked exactly like it was going to do a U-Turn. So as soon as my friend got around the corner he got paranoid and went into ghost mode, and then into Warp Speed. If the cop was slowing to get a look @ my friends plate, do u think he will post him a ticket? and how fast could he have cought him doing?

I personally dont think the cop saw anything nor even turned around, but the paranoir is still there, for my friend of course. So have any of you had a ticket posted out?

**MikeL** · 28th March 2003, 08:14

No, and I refuse to start worrying about it. I think "your friend" is too paranoid.

**bluninja** · 28th March 2003, 10:04

Hey KK, did you know that digitial mobile technology is so advanced now they can track your speed and location between 2 cells? They've used historical records already in murder trials to prove where somebody was and how long it took to get to the next place; but now they are in a position to do it live in real time. So make sure your mobile is switched off when you ride

With all the gorvernemnt database convergence happening, they already have the means to link your mobile number to your address to the vehicles you own, and bam! big brother has you

I guess soon they will not bother sending tickets, they will just deduct the fine from your account direct.

Worried? Scared? Gullible? roflmaopmp

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mena the police aren't out to get you.

TTFN

**What?** · 28th March 2003, 13:08

Well put, Bluninja. But Kwaka does have a valid query...

In short, they can and do post tickets, but it tends to be for stuff like running stop signs, when the cop has seen you, got your plate, but is unable to safely follow you (like he's stuck in a traffic jam).

If they wanted to get your mate for doing warp 12 on the Queens highways, but a chase was not an option, IF they got his number then they effectively also got his address, name, age, drivers license details etc etc. The result would have been a cop waiting on his doorstep when he got home (and I know of a number of instances where that has happened).

Actually, it's Friday...

**bluninja** · 28th March 2003, 14:06

What? KK already knows someone who had the police knocking on their door after a chase. However the police need to identify the rider....and if you had proof that you couldn't have been the rider, and that others could have had access to your bike and keys then it's hard for them to proceed.

So I suppose a sensible answer is that the police can pursue

a prosecution without chasing you, but the burden is then on the police to prove the bike owner was riding at the time of the incident; which may be difficult after the event.

TTFN

**wkid_one** · 28th March 2003, 19:19

A couple of issues for the policeperson - 1: proving you were on the bike, 2: proving the infraction in dispute (if you deny it).

They can however ticket you via post - usually under the hope you will pay and be done with it and not go to court! How can they prove how fast you were going, you ran a red light etc, without catching you doing it?

In that case, shortly it will be like Minority Report and we will all lose our licenses the minute we buy our bikes for the silly things we are about to do!

I say ' FECK 'M', they have to catch you!! If you ride with me, you don't know me, as I won't be hanging around

**Kwaka-Kid** · 28th March 2003, 20:44

okay okay, first things first.. IT WASNT ME!! MY FRIEND REMEMBER MY FRIEND!

damnit, so you guys know mw so well already that you know i cant get friends?

damn you all! hahaha

friend, just remember friend. Im a good boy

ive never gone an ounce over the posted speed limit myself in my life!

and yeah fair enuf, ill tell me friend not to worry.

cheers for the info guys, but yeh i know they can post them, just a matter of if u guys had had experience in that dept

night all! safe riding.

**Slim** · 28th March 2003, 23:58

Originally posted by bluninja
Hey KK, did you know that digitial mobile technology is so advanced now they can track your speed and location between 2 cells? They've used historical records already in murder trials to prove where somebody was and how long it took to get to the next place; but now they are in a position to do it live in real time. So make sure your mobile is switched off when you ride

Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!!

We can't do it here, and it'd probably take 20mins to figure out which specialist might be able to do it, then 30mins (or more if it's a weekend evening/night) to actually contact them, then they'd probably have to go into their office, boot their computer up, open the programmes they need ..........

Don't you love Telecom's propensity for contracting out their work to other companies?!?!?

**What?** · 29th March 2003, 08:40

Originally posted by bluninja
However the police need to identify the rider....

but the burden is then on the police to prove the bike owner was riding at the time of the incident; which may be difficult after the event.

They do. I think... They put the onus back on the vehicle owner for camera tickets

but I do not know if that applies elsewhere. Let us hope not!!

BTW, the reference above to the cops finding out where you live and coming to visit was regarding a couple of instances where the cops arrived at the driver's destination before he did!

I suppose the moral of the story is to simply deny everything. As you say, the onus is on the cops to provide the proof, not on alleged offenders to prove that they are innocent.

**bluninja** · 29th March 2003, 10:41

Slim, I never thought anyone would take the first part seriously except KK

However................................imagine a reality TV show SPEED BUSTERS, some nasty looking presenter fronting footage from a technical nerve centre showing speeding offences as they happen...and on board video footage of police chases, maybe even overhead shots from a chopper. I'm sure it would sell. It's probably already in pilot in the US.

:bigthumb:

TTFN

**Slim** · 29th March 2003, 23:21

Originally posted by bluninja
Slim, I never thought anyone would take the first part seriously except KK

It was definitely cause for great amusement here in the heart of the Telecom Network!

I certainly didn't take it seriously.

**Kwaka-Kid** · 30th March 2003, 00:50

bahaha, is this funny

well im off, ive drunk ehaps

later

**wkid_one** · 30th March 2003, 11:38

PS - if you are riding really really really fast - who is going to see your number plate anyway????

Try a flip up plate - these work a treat, either motorised or using a cable (eg lawn mower throttle cable).....

We are supposed to live in a innocent until proven guilty society - why is is then that motorcyclist are immediately considered guilty of every motoring sin under the sun????

**bikerboy** · 30th March 2003, 12:11

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade but the "innocent untill proven guilty" concept does not rule in NZ.

From past experience and legal advice the attitude of the court is: You will (lie) deny any infringement to get off, but why would a trusted member of the police force( which the courts believe are better than the average public) lie about you committing an offence.

They view the police as having no reason to accuse an innocent person of an offence. Therefore when it comes to their word against your's, it guilty untill proven innocent. You have to prove they couldn't possible have gotten your number plate, description, etc. You must prove you or the bike were somewhere else and if you can't the court will side with the police. As the owner you are responsible for anyone using it, that's how speed camera fines hold up in court.

We don't live in the world we think we do.

**Kwaka-Kid** · 30th March 2003, 12:31

well said bikerboy.

and yeah i know those plates, aswell as having cars with hinging ones on front so when u go approx 60k+ ur plate flips up.

but meh, if you get caught with that ur only asking for trouble.

stuff it all, go eat pies and drink red and ride bikes without getting into too much trouble, is all i can say.