KBers as role models

**Two Smoker** · 17th May 2006, 18:28

I sort of agree with you YT... But have you noticed that the majority of complaints come from Auckland and Wellington... Two highly populated cities full of wankers that wont give an inch in their cars...

I used to have your attitude, and say "I must ride more defensively and anticipate situations" Now its changed to "I must ride more defensively and anticipate situations... But if they do something wrong and be a wanker about it, bye bye mirror (or if im in a car) Dent dent car..."

**Finn** · 17th May 2006, 18:45

Cars are not our friends. Friends don't try to kill you. They are the enemy and should be treated as such. Wing mirrors - one shot, one kill.

**Macktheknife** · 17th May 2006, 18:46

Good point YT. But TS also makes an important one, big cities= small brain drivers.

Here lies the body of Johnny Lay
who died defending his Right of Way
The judge said he was right all along
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong

I see no point in worrying about right and wrong unless there's a lesson to take from it. Im much more interested in worrying about what will keep me alive. As for the young ones, I hope they all have enough sense to know the difference between keyboard rhetoric and on-road survival. Anyone of us could have been venting about some perceived injustice by a tin top but at least we are here to do so. I myself have removed a mirror when I felt it was needed, Ive have also just carried on along ignoring the idiot who will surely cut themselves short soon enough.

Ride safe and be happy.

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th May 2006, 18:50

Originally Posted by froggyfrenchman

We do have close calls all the time, its the nature of riding. But 90% of the time it is the cagers fault. I kick mirrors and also encourage others to do the same.

This thread dosnt have anything to do with master hxc's incident the other day has it?

When we read this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...07&postcount=1 and hear hXc's tales of woe (same sort of thing), we have to pose the question "Who is responsible for the biker's safety?" If you ride in expectation of trouble, no doubt you will find it. Or if you ride defensively, probably you will avoid trouble.
Obviously, things can go wrong at anytime and catch us out, but surely the object is to minimise the risks?

**Skyryder** · 17th May 2006, 18:54

Originally Posted by Macktheknife

Here lies the body of Johnny Lay
who died defending his Right of Way
The judge said he was right all along
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong

Amen to that.

Every biker should be able to quote that before getting their licence issued.

Skyryder

**James Deuce** · 17th May 2006, 18:57

Originally Posted by froggyfrenchman

We do have close calls all the time, its the nature of riding. But 90% of the time it is the cagers fault. I kick mirrors and also encourage others to do the same.

This thread dosnt have anything to do with master hxc's incident the other day has it?

It's your OWN fault 100% of the time. You CAN and SHOULD avoid every close call.

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th May 2006, 19:04

Originally Posted by Jim2

It's your OWN fault 100% of the time. You CAN and SHOULD avoid every close call.

Can't agree entirely, Jim, But I know what you are saying. In the normal scheme of things, there are clues all around us as to what is going to happen - here, there, wherever - before we arrive at that spot. It is up to the rider to be aware & 'proact' (as opposed to 'react') to avoid trouble.

**James Deuce** · 17th May 2006, 19:12

I've never had an accident that wasn't mostly my fault, despite all of them being legally the fault of other road users, except for one that was a combination of damp, diesel, and clay. Even with the obvious clues to a dodgy road surface I still screwed it up.

I'm only here because of luck and learning from those experiences. I had a close call this morning, but the skills I've learned that have become reflex saved me. It doesn't matter that the car in front braked to a sudden stop on the motorway in slow traffic while I was changing lanes, with no obvious threat to them personally. I'd followed the person down the length of Dowse Dr and mentally noted how poor their driving was. I should have been a little more vigilant around this person, but I don't understand why it is compulsory to remove their mirror. It's a criminal act, and one that I would be keen to see go through the courts if I saw a motorcyclist do it. One moment we're whinging about the poor public image of motorcycling, the next people are actively advocating vandalism of someone else's property as an act of "justified" vengeance.

Stop wasting energy on things you can't change and celebrate the fact you're still allowed to ride a motorcycle by lanesplitting off into the distance.

**Sketchy_Racer** · 17th May 2006, 19:19

KiwiBiker Role Models!!

You've got to be kidding me.

We couldn't teach a Kid to fart correctly if our life depended on it!!

But in all seriousness.

You are very right. I'm a young "kid" and It affects my thinking about other drivers around me.

**NhuanH** · 17th May 2006, 19:29

I like role playing. Most days I prefer submissive, but when feeling whimsical I can be the dominator.

**thealmightytaco** · 17th May 2006, 19:38

I like my role's filled.

With chicken, tomato, and lettuce.

NhuanHnHHuaNahhNHhauuahNNnahahNNuauahanH is the shizzle dizzle.

**Badcat** · 17th May 2006, 19:40

Originally Posted by NhuanH

I like role playing. Most days I prefer submissive, but when feeling whimsical I can be the dominator.

yes, and i believe Maurice is still in therapy after your last rendezvous.

**Phurrball** · 17th May 2006, 19:41

Originally Posted by MSTRS

When we read this http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...07&postcount=1 and hear hXc's tales of woe (same sort of thing), ...
Obviously, things can go wrong at anytime and catch us out, but surely the object is to minimise the risks?

The post that link points to refers to a particularly uppsy-downsy nasty piece of Road in Dunedin (London St) where issues are compounded by road design. I'm sure that Gamgee learned a valuable lesson, as did hXc with his 'follow home' incident.

It's hard for KB to lead young'uns astray when they're '10ft high and bulletproof' anyway. Nothing teaches like experience and a few years under the belt - why I'm glad I'm learning now, and not in my teens. No amount of super-wise posts on KB can change the 'immortailty' of youth, nor will 'ill advised' posts worsen the situation terribly much IMHO.

Now that I live in Auckers, I fully understand people's need to vent if they ride on the roads up here.

'Tis a deranged and dangerous zoo out there.

When needed, one yells, flips the bird, sounds the horn etc to vent one's feelings, then one disappears into the distance...and maybe has a rant on KB to help commiserate with fellow bikers that understand.

'Tis a fact of life here.

**MSTRS:Me** · 17th May 2006, 19:47

Originally Posted by Phurrball

The post that link points to refers to a particularly uppsy-downsy nasty piece of Road in Dunedin (London St) where issues are compounded by road design. I'm sure that Gamgee learned a valuable lesson,

So it should be ridden with that in mind then, shouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Phurrball

Now that I live in Auckers,...'Tis a deranged and dangerous zoo out there.....'Tis a fact of life here.

And here...in fact, everywhere.
One of the points that Yungatart was making was that not all of the idiots on the roads are in cages.