Australia & France.

[John Banks]

Well, you still seem to be basing your observations merely on the fact that Japanese look to you like any other asians, and base your assumptions on the fact that they behave like what you stereotype as asians when they immigrate here. In answer to your questions:

In 2001, 4,221 out of 10,023 Japanese (8,622 of which were born in Japan) lived in Auckland. In 2001 nearly two thirds of South Africans were based in Auckland.

As for integration:
In 2001 there were 11,634 fee paying Japanese in English-language schools, making up 54% of those in English language schools (I don't have the exact figures, but I believe Japanese make up less than 10% of the Asian population in New Zealand)
Most Japanese students live with host families rather than in hostels, as many other international students do.
Japanese immigrants may not seem to integrate as obviously because of how they look and English not being a language of their home country, but that's not exactly their fault, is it?

[Madness]

Japanese immigrants may not seem to integrate as obviously because of how they look and English not being a language of their home country, but that's not exactly their fault, is it?

Yes it is. They should just fuck off.

[Dafe]

Really? I'd like some corroboration of this claim, if you don't mind.

I think you'll find that the Japanese had no intention of invading either Australia or New Zealand. Neither territory held any strategic importance for them. They were much more interested in the oil wealth of China and the then French Indo-China, and were more than a little extended on that front. A couple of submarine and spotter aircraft sightings do not an invasion make. Japanese attacks on mainland Australia (in Sydney and Darwin) were more nuisance value than anything else -- there was no supporting invasion fleet for either incursion.

I think you'll find that an Australasian Invasion was infact planned, but was postponed and then ultimately nulled by the Americans contributions in the Pacific. It was only a matter of time before the Japs invaded Australasia, the Americans sorted that out for us, thanks firstly to the Doolittle raid diverting the Japs attention back to the U.S. fleets and then onto their demise at Midway.

I think you'll find that the Japanese had no intention of invading either Australia or New Zealand.

Sorry Hitcher, I didn't find that at all.

http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/japsland/invade01.htm

[Ixion]

Even the website you cite, which is devoid of source reference or contextual argument, speaks only of a diversionary attack.

A diversionary attack is a far far different thing to an invasion and occupation.

That Japan might, had circumstances been different, have launched various offensive actions against Australia , and , to a lesser extent, New Zeland, is not in question. Indeed , to some extent, this did happen.

Such actions might have included "sneak" raids; long distance bombing; a traditional guerre de course (a full blockade would have required several major naval victories against both the USN and the RN, to give them undisputed command of the sea) ;commando style landings along exposed coastlines; and even the establishment of a beachhead around Darwin . The latter port was of some naval strategic significance to the japanese.

None of these in any way come close to qualifying as an invasion. Nor is there anything in them that could extend to New Zealand or Australian civilans being used for bayonet practice (though I would not dispute that the Japanese forces were capable of such actions - *if* they had been able to reach us).

Quite simply, the Japanese Empire was far far too short of the logistic and naval resources required to launch, support, and maintain an amphibious theatre of war across such large distances. Very few amateurs realise just how difficult such a campaign is. For the Japanese, already horribly overextended, and with supply lines perilously exposed, it was a complete impossibility.

EDIT: Incidentally m the Japanese naval demise happened at the Battle of Leyte Gulf, not Midway.

[Dafe]

This Japanese occupation currency was located on a beach in Hollandia, Pacific Seas in 1944.

It was intended for use on the British Islands of the Pacific.
The Australian currency at the time of the war was also Pounds and Shillings.

[onearmedbandit]

Yes it is. They should just fuck off.

And just why is that? Or is this another of your 'piss takes'?

[Ixion]

This Japanese occupation currency was located on a beach in Hollandia, Pacific Seas in 1944.

It was intended for use on the British Islands of the Pacific.
The Australian currency at the time of the war was also Pounds and Shillings.

The British Pacific Islands are a quite different matter, militarily, from Australia and New Zealand. The Germans also printed large quantities of British and Russian money. Hope springs eternal.

[Madness]

And just why is that? Or is this another of your 'piss takes'?

No, actually that was a sad,pathetic attempt in responding to somebody who couldn't see my original post for what it was in the context of this thread (please read it).

Frankly, I was just sharing an observation from recent visits to our largest city. It is a multicultural city and I like going there. I do however feel "out of place" when standing in the main street of this city, as I feel like I am in a foreign country. I don't share the enthusiasm for statistics that my friend John Banks does, I tell it how I see it. I disagree that the masses of Japanese people in Auckland have integrated into N.Z society, particularly in comparison to South African migrants/visitors (a comparison that J.B chose to use).

I apologise if I caused offence, it was not intended. I enjoy sharing opinions here at KB, not statistics.

[Posh Tourer :P]

This Japanese occupation currency was located on a beach in Hollandia, Pacific Seas in 1944.

It was intended for use on the British Islands of the Pacific.
The Australian currency at the time of the war was also Pounds and Shillings.

Wow. I am a New Zealander, just like those ones at Gallipoli. Does that mean I am in immediate danger of dying now? Makes as much sense as your using this tenuous connection to try and say that an invasion was planned.... Have a look at the design of the pictures - obviously an island currnecy, do you think they designed palm tree pictures with New Zealand and Australia in mind???

[John Banks]

It is a multicultural city and I like going there. I do however feel "out of place" when standing in the main street of this city, as I feel like I am in a foreign country. I don't share the enthusiasm for statistics that my friend John Banks does, I tell it how I see it. I disagree that the masses of Japanese people in Auckland have integrated into N.Z society, particularly in comparison to South African migrants/visitors (a comparison that J.B chose to use).

The fact is that most of the asians you see are going to be Chinese or Korean. You don't even know if the 'masses' of Japanese people you see are actually Japanese. The reason I chose South Africans was that they had similar published census figures.

But let's not let facts get in the way of opinion.

[Madness]

But let's not let facts get in the way of opinion.

Here's a fact for ya...

I have never once, ever, been anywhere in this fine country of ours and felt like I was surrounded by a disproportionate number of South African's in a confined area over a considerable period of time.

Every single time I can recall being in Queen Street in the evening, I have felt like I was surrounded by a disproportionate number of Japanese.

Maybe there were Koreans and Chinese there also, I just couldn't see them for all the Jap's.

[onearmedbandit]

True, higher numbers of Korean and Chinese immigrants in NZ.

No problem MAXIMUSDEMERITUS, no offence taken.

[onearmedbandit]

Here's a fact for ya...

I have never once, ever, been anywhere in this fine country of ours and felt like I was surrounded by a disproportionate number of South African's in a confined area over a considerable period of time.

Every single time I can recall being in Queen Street in the evening, I have felt like I was surrounded by a disproportionate number of Japanese.

Maybe there were Koreans and Chinese there also, I just couldn't see them for all the Jap's.

Don't you think there are reasons for that however? Like maybe most Japanese visitors here travel in groups, and a lot of foriegn visitors full stop feel more comfortable with people from their own backgroud, just Asians are easier to group because of visual differences. Also, I think you'll find the overall numbers of Japanese in NZ are far smaller then the Korean and Chinese. How can you tell these people are Japanese?

[Dafe]

And Helen Clark is not running for Secretary of the UN. Please.

Hitcher - You listen to too much government-owned broadcasting.
Where were you when Don Brash was demanding a re-election at the end of this year, due to Helen stepping down in order to pursue the top UN role?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...retary-General

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/20/172412/243

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...969094,00.html

http://www.unausa.org/site/pp.asp?c=...731F28611684BD

[Madness]

How can you tell these people are Japanese?

I speak fluent Japanese, Korean and Chinese Mandarin.

For fucks sake man. I was trying to lighten this thread up a little. I didn't realise this was going to turn into a statistical analysis exercise on migration effects in modern New Zealand, if I had I would have found somewhere a lot more interesting to talk shit.

Anyway, I've got a cross to burn. And if you don't see that for what it's worth, I have pity on you all.