Which material is best for protection?

[The Stranger:Me]

If you believe that your riding ability is that inadequate that you are inevitably going to crash then it is my opinion you should NOT ride a motorcycle.

Alternatively, book yourself in for riding courses.

Yeah you really should listen to swanny here, he has real experience.

He is the same guy who pulled a wheelie on Markauckland's bike whilst wearing denim and went around the rest of the night as a biohazard dropping blood everywhere.

So when you selling the bike Swanny?

[SwanTiger]

Yeah you really should listen to swanny here, he has real experience.

He is the same guy who pulled a wheelie on Markauckland's bike whilst wearing denim and went around the rest of the night as a biohazard dropping blood everywhere.

So when you selling the bike Swanny?

Crashing someone elses Motorcycle doesn't count

[The Stranger:Me]

Crashing someone elses Motorcycle doesn't count

Mind if I borrow your bike?

[The_Dover]

Somebody might see you on it............

[The Stranger:Me]

Somebody might see you on it............

Fuck, what was I thinking.
Thanks Dover, I owe you one.

[SwanTiger]

Mind if I borrow your bike?

Depends which one.

[N4CR]

Hmm i'd pick Chobham armour. Might be a little unconventional though?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobham_armour

Go leather for protection, cordura is shit when you fall off on it, gets nasty holes in it at any speed. Not good.. I only wear it when it gets fuckin cold. Still never used the liner either

[ZeroIndex]

It cant relate to my gear anyway Mr Girardin, as I have my own brand on my gear,as well as NZ based legal guarantees etc, not to mention in 15 crashes everyone is still wearing it, like to see some of the big names say that........ if they could.
My gear is simply better, I know it is, I seen it perform, take the gloves for example, Keystone 3 crashes, still okay, dss3 3 crashes still okay. Battered and grazed for sure but still up for another ride, I know alpinestar cant handle that. So I actually arrogantly regard Alpinestar and Spidi as a cheap brand with a name.

I know cheek prick, but its tru otherwise its

you have my vote of confidence with the gloves.. latest bin was straight onto the right one, and my hand is perfectly fine, and the glove as the tinyist of scrapes on the carbon fibre bit (on the right pinky finger)..

[Motu]

My flared Levi cords survived a spill that saw the rivets leave burn marks on my hip and wore my thick leather belt down to half thickness - there wasn't a mark on the Levi's or my body....I'd swear by Levi cords,you don't have to have the flares if you feel uncomfortable in that style....

[Paul in NZ]

Absolutely, up to now 15 bikers from this site have crashed in our gear, all two piece suits, not all zipped together, all of these bikers where ok and unhurt do to the leather performance, also all of them are still using the same leathers as they where not damaged, worst we have had was a small tear about 2" long (nothing)
Some riders have even crashed twice in our two piece suits (CaN).

as much as this sounds like an advert its also a note to indicate that two piece suits are absolutely excellent, in fact for the road a one piece is inferior as other factors such as practical usability make them a pain in the arse.

I think you need to be very careful making comparisons or making statements as every accident is different. Gear, is utterly the last survival barrier and cannot be trusted to save you, regardless of brand or type. Identical equipment will perform differently under very small condition changes, different fit etc etc. I have no doubt, having met you, that you are selling a first rate product but please be careful, sooner or later someone will get hurt or die wearing your gear... It's just a matter of time / opportunity / numbers.

My worry is when people start threads like this they get the impression leather will protect them in all conditions, it won't.

I have personally seen a friend tumble off a bike at less than walking speed and wearing full leather and a Bell helmet (state of the art at the time) die from impact injury. Unbelieveable... Yet another friend head fist into a car, flies through the air and hits a lampost with his body at about waist height, only denims and NO helmet, perfectly fine! THE best survival tip... Don't fall off... If you wear anything, wear a suit of clear space between you and the environment.

OK - I now I'm a daft old bastard that does not understand modern sports bikes and the whole scene but.... I'm alive...

[Motu]

A lot of misconceptions for sure - people crash and see their shredded leathers and go - ''Wow,if I hadn't been wearing my leathers I'd be mincemeat!'' A valid and true statement,leather is just preserved skin,and it's a lot thicker and tougher than our own.But other materials react in different ways - in my example above,why was my leather belt ground away and yet the cords unmarked? The cords were slippery,they slid over the surface,didn't catch or tear,while the leather gripped the surface and took the abuse.Another time I crashed and spun down the road on my back,I was slidding so long I stood up when I thought I'd nearly stopped and launched into a forward roll,landing on my back and slidding some more.I was wearing an old worn out oilskin parka,again there was not a mark on it...same as the cords it was able to just slide over the surface.Different circumstances and I might not be here to tell my tales....

Buy the best gear you can afford and wear it everytime you ride - ATGATT.

[ZeroIndex]

A lot of misconceptions for sure - people crash and see their shredded leathers and go - ''Wow,if I hadn't been wearing my leathers I'd be mincemeat!'' A valid and true statement,leather is just preserved skin,and it's a lot thicker and tougher than our own.But other materials react in different ways - in my example above,why was my leather belt ground away and yet the cords unmarked? The cords were slippery,they slid over the surface,didn't catch or tear,while the leather gripped the surface and took the abuse.Another time I crashed and spun down the road on my back,I was slidding so long I stood up when I thought I'd nearly stopped and launched into a forward roll,landing on my back and slidding some more.I was wearing an old worn out oilskin parka,again there was not a mark on it...same as the cords it was able to just slide over the surface.Different circumstances and I might not be here to tell my tales....

Buy the best gear you can afford and wear it everytime you ride - ATGATT.

so.. who is going to be oiling you up at the next track day? P/T

[Quasievil]

OK - I now I'm a daft old bastard

There we finally have it on record !!!!!

right you are Mr Paul

[Paul in NZ]

There we finally have it on record !!!!!

right you are Mr Paul

I can't spell and manage to hit all the keys either.... shame shame shame...

I HAVE to be an idiot as well. Just spent 4 hours returning my Triumph breather system to circa 1970 and them modified it to work. Spent an hour wondering where my chain oiler went (off the parts book) - before I found out late 1970 bikes don't have them (a good thing) and I remembered that I never ever had one in the first place... Then a happy hour mounting the exhaust bracket upside down, reversing it, noticing the drawing in the parts book is WRONG and modifing it so it fits... Still... I made progess I think... I forgot what it looked like before I started but I have less stuff on the bench so I musta done OK...

Must be an idiot because I enjoyed it all...