lotf

[Ixion]

50 years! what's 50 years!

Go, thou and read the Vision of Piers Plowman. I was at your age.That's 800 odd years.

We also had to read LOTF. I wrote an essay contrasting LOTF and Othello. I still think it was damn good.

50 years indeed. Haruummph.

(BTW , as someone said, Tolkien is much older. And if you don't know Shakespeare and Milton half the fun of Pterry goes right over your head)

[James Deuce]

(BTW , as someone said, Tolkien is much older. And if you don't know Shakespeare and Milton half the fun of Pterry goes right over your head)

To say nothing of Bunyan and Chaucer

[ZeroIndex]

I studied (well, not really ) LOTF at school, grade10.. not sure of the NZ equivalent, SA school system went up to grade12, which would be the final year.. can anyone work that out?

..and about Animal Farm.. I got the DVD

[hXc]

(BTW , as someone said, Tolkien is much older. And if you don't know Shakespeare and Milton half the fun of Pterry goes right over your head)

Tolkien may be older, but the language used is a lot easier to unerstand in the society we have become.

And believe me, I do know and like Shakespeare. It is a very different thing for a lot of other people my age, to study it though. I have read Shakespeare's poems and plays etc, but I can understand that a lot of people wouldn't be able to get past the first sentence and still know what he was saying.

That does not mean they are stupid, or un-educated. It just means, and goes to show, that the language used is out of date, isn't used in most countries, and hasn't been for a long time.

[hXc]

Yes, I can remember reading LOTF and Animal Farm when I was 15 and 16.

Thought much the same about it as you Zach.

Strange though how I understand the books a lot better now I've lived a bit of life.

The trouble I found was in relating my own life experiences to what was happening in the books, so like you I struggled to relate, or find relevance.

Go back and read the books in ten years time and see how much differently you find them.

I personally, understand the book a lot better than most in my class. I can see it has it's place and I can understand why we, and the generations before us have studied it. But really, the language used in it is near extinct in today's society.

I apparently, need help with the book because "I miss the obvious messages that Golding is trying to portray." I don't miss them, I just choose to read through them, because I would rather find the very hidden messages that he portrays. I get the feeling my teacher doesn't like me because I'm racist, I argue with almost anything that somebody says that I don't like, I'm un-PC and I speak of things that she does not know about.

She had never heard of John Wayne Gacy, she didn't know what Charles Manson and his followers actually did, she does not understand anarchy the way it is supposed to be and finally, she told me that my speech -about political correctness and how it has gone too far-, was politically incorrect so I told her that she obviously didn't understand what my speech was about.

[MSTRS:Me]

....she told me that my speech -about political correctness and how it has gone too far-, was politically incorrect so I told her that she obviously didn't understand what my speech was about.

Oh how the parents laughed when told of THAT!!

[Macktheknife]

Perhaps Piers Anthony would be a more suitable author for the younger mind ....and I still go back to Sos the Rope,Var the Stick,and Neq the sword,simple,short but powerful stories.

I remember those books well, one of my favourite series when I was a lad. Well written and probably still relevant in todays world, although I expect many younger people would need to be given some instruction on what to look for in terms of deeper meaning. Perhaps that is the real issue inherent in the threads question?
Anyway, read them, think about them, then discover for yourself the real meaning behind the words. After all that was the point of setting them as a task.

[Ixion]

,,
That does not mean they are stupid, or un-educated. It just means, and goes to show, that the language used is out of date, isn't used in most countries, and hasn't been for a long time.

Wherefore sayest thou so ? Think'st not that a sweet tongue should well befit a gentle wight in these latter days?

[MSTRS:Me]

Wherefore sayest thou so ? Think'st not that a sweet tongue should well befit a gentle wight in these latter days?

Oooohhh - we luv it wen u tork dirty.....

[Macktheknife]

...and finally, she told me that my speech -about political correctness and how it has gone too far-, was politically incorrect .

I am still laughing about this one! ROFLMAO
I would suggest you need to be very flexible in your communication styles with this teacher. Good luck

[James Deuce]

I personally, understand the book a lot better than most in my class. I can see it has it's place and I can understand why we, and the generations before us have studied it. But really, the language used in it is near extinct in today's society.

You're REALLY missing the point mate. Think about what you just wrote.

Think about it properly. You're not making a valid point, you're parroting an oft repeated whinge that teenage students have made for centuries.

I believe you're better than that. Prove it - go on, I dare you.

[hXc]

I believe you're better than that. Prove it - go on, I dare you.

Nah. Too bloody lazy

[Ixion]

To say nothing of Bunyan and Chaucer

Verily. Methinks the shade of John Bunyan maphap dost stand at pterry's shoulder levelling an accusing finger at the Vaguely Reverend Oats

[The Beast]

I'm doing Lord of the Flies at the moment too, I thought it was a pretty good book, but yeah, very dated.

As for Animal Farm, shit, did that in 4th form mate.

I've heard good things about George Orwells other books...1984 I think it's called?

[crashe]

Yikes Its looks like I missed out on so much.. (Thank goodness) when I was asked oops left school at the end of the third form...


Hxc - Good on you for reading the books that you like to read, whether it be Shakespeare or what ever other writer you like to read.
You are entitled to your own opinion in what you want to say in your essays etc at school.


My daughter read books at 10 that she had to re-read at high school.
She told the teacher she had read them already and voiced her opinion on them as well.... The teacher demanded that she re-read them and demanded that she write what was expected everyone to write.
Yep my brat aint a conformist either. She refused and her marks suffered because of it. Which is a shame as each child/teenager should be marked on their own merits not what the teacher knows.
She loved Steven King, Hitchcock, Any books on serial kellers, Charles Manson etc etc.
For one assignment she went to the Hillsborough Cementary and wrote about those that have died and those that are famous in there and what happened to them. That too was against what the teacher wanted.
Even her Music that she took at school that she had to write had a morbid tune to it as well. But that teacher allowed her to express herself and graded her accordingly and she was given great marks for music.


So I guess it depends on the teacher involved as to whether they allow the kids to develop and let them flow their own thoughts etc without the teacher holding them back etc.

So Hxc you go for it mate... I reckon you have your parents backing all the way behind you.