Fucking Managers!

[kickingzebra]

convince 20 percent of your workmates to leave, then contract back at enormous rates when they prove themselves unable to handle the workload...
Yet another short term answer to a long term problem from the desk of KickingZebra

[Lou Girardin]

How appalling that employers can't F***** GIVE a pay rise to employees
when employers WANT TO pay them what they are worth either

Mine can and does.
Well he and I disagree a little bit on the last part. But then 6 figures for my job is possibly a bit high, although the entertainment has to be worth something.

[chanceyy]

yeah talking of restructure we are going through this at present.. mainly affecting our night staff and those on fixed hours.

the devestation and morale was at floor level at our 3 sites within a very short space of time

management asked for our imput .. saying we have a say boy ohhh boy did their email get flooded. It was quite hopeful optimism after 4 days they acknowledged some of the feedback. Certainly made everyone feel like they were being heard.

This resulted in massive email submission, and one up for the workers, we have actually been heard, kept the night team (yipeeee) not working 3quarters of our roster on late finishes .. now 1 week in 4 .. etc

Due to come in effect around August so will not know full impacts .. and this will also affect the team leaders .. gone are working 8-5pm they will now be on the full time roster

[paturoa]

Dont forget that there is a pendulum here, sounds like the next swing will be in the managment structure direction.

This is a reality and isnt going to change.

If you want to change it then stop whinging and become a manager - no wait, isnt the pendulum is about to swing that way?

[WINJA]

Blame the government and the constant financial pressure it puts on the company owners. Those decisions are forced because companies have no choice.

The increase in minimum wage
The new holiday act
The sick day act
Holiday pay going from 6 - 8% of annual gross earnings

At the same time increased costs to the company.
Freight
Supplies
Packaging
Services

It just goes on and on

And people question restructuring and how much it puts them out ? - talk to
Helen.

Katie
p.s An increase in management may have been made to increase productivity

THAT ALL SOUNDS LIKE RUBBISH , ARE YOU IN HR OR SOMETHING

[WINJA]

i feel no sympathy to any employers any more after a vicious pay negotiation which got us fuck all, then 2 weeks later the boss spends $500,000 on a boat ,then some really good staff leave and he still doesnt learn.

im sick of hr people who drive flash cars and get good pay off the back of hard working employees , what the fuck do hr people do anyway? sack all those useless fucks for a start.

[paturoa]

i feel no sympathy to any employers any more after a vicious pay negotiation which got us fuck all, then 2 weeks later the boss spends $500,000 on a boat ,then some really good staff leave and he still doesnt learn.

im sick of hr people who drive flash cars and get good pay off the back of hard working employees , what the fuck do hr people do anyway? sack all those useless fucks for a start.

Stop whinging, it isn't going to change, sounds like u have some really good ideas.

So if u want a 500k boat go start a company. If you want a flash car or good pay, apply for a managers or an HR job.

[Ixion]

,,, what the fuck do hr people do anyway? ,,.

I've always wondered that. I mean, apart for giving the bosses advice when they want to sack someone, what do they actually DO. (Oh, and the payclerk role, I guess, but that never used to carry the poncy privileges that HR does)

[paturoa]

I've always wondered that. I mean, apart for giving the bosses advice when they want to sack someone, what do they actually DO. (Oh, and the payclerk role, I guess, but that never used to carry the poncy privileges that HR does)

They organise things so that the boss can have a 500k boat!

[KATWYN]

Mine can and does.
Well he and I disagree a little bit on the last part. But then 6 figures for my job is possibly a bit high, although the entertainment has to be worth something.

You are obviously not "a hard done by" employee

I dare you to print that off and show your boss Lou

- Why don't you dish some of your wages out and top up the difference for the low wage earning group and help them out? seeing you obviously have surplus and admit you are over paid - now that would be a philanthropist thing to do....after all, an employer will do it

[WINJA]

Stop whinging, it isn't going to change, sounds like u have some really good ideas.

So if u want a 500k boat go start a company. If you want a flash car or good pay, apply for a managers or an HR job.

I WASNT BORN WITH A SILVER SPOON IN MY MOUTH , I LEFT HOME AT 18 WITH NOTHING AND I HAVE 3 HOUSES SO IM DOING OK , BUT ILL NEVER BE RICH , BUT I DONT SEE WHY OTHERS SHOULD GET RICH BY SKIMPING ON MY PAY WITH MORE LEECHES ON A PAYROLL LIKE HR PEOPLE AND PA'S THERES ULTIMATELY LESS FOR A GRUNT LIKE ME ITS SIMPLE ECONOMICS, I WORKED FOR A COMPANY THAT HAD FIRED MOST OF THE OFFICE STAFF AND IT WAS AWESOME I ACTUALLY GOT PAID WELL AND DIDNT HAVE TO WORK AS HARD CAUSE EVERY BUM ON A SEAT IN AN OFFICE WAS COSTING THE BRANCH $60K+ A YEAR PREVIOUSLY, THEY HAD NO HR PEOPLE EVERY MANAGER IN EVERY CITY HAD TO PLACE THEIR OWN ADS AND INTERVIEW PEOPLE AND IT WORKS WELL , FUCK HR PEOPLE I HOPE THEY ALL GET BRAIN CANCER AND DIE

[inlinefour]

Nasty. They will do anything to achieve immediate results with no long-term thinking and unfortunately shit rolls downhill. Corporates create a crippling hierarchical management structure thick with self-protecting middle management that 1) hide the truth from senior management and 2) fuck over the little guys at the drop of a hat.

You work for the local public hospital system?

[XTC]

I WASNT BORN WITH A SILVER SPOON IN MY MOUTH , I LEFT HOME AT 18 WITH NOTHING AND I HAVE 3 HOUSES SO IM DOING OK , BUT ILL NEVER BE RICH , BUT I DONT SEE WHY OTHERS SHOULD GET RICH BY SKIMPING ON MY PAY WITH MORE LEECHES ON A PAYROLL LIKE HR PEOPLE AND PA'S THERES ULTIMATELY LESS FOR A GRUNT LIKE ME ITS SIMPLE ECONOMICS, I WORKED FOR A COMPANY THAT HAD FIRED MOST OF THE OFFICE STAFF AND IT WAS AWESOME I ACTUALLY GOT PAID WELL AND DIDNT HAVE TO WORK AS HARD CAUSE EVERY BUM ON A SEAT IN AN OFFICE WAS COSTING THE BRANCH $60K+ A YEAR PREVIOUSLY, THEY HAD NO HR PEOPLE EVERY MANAGER IN EVERY CITY HAD TO PLACE THEIR OWN ADS AND INTERVIEW PEOPLE AND IT WORKS WELL , FUCK HR PEOPLE I HOPE THEY ALL GET BRAIN CANCER AND DIE

hear hear!! Christ i'm agreeing with winja again

[KATWYN]

Has anyone ever thought that maybe the employer had to mortgage himself to the hilt to buy a $500,000 launch to entertain clients - to gain contracts
to keep the likes of YOU employed

Cos unfortunately THATS how it works

No - its just a toy. it doesnt serve a purpose does it

[KATWYN]

THAT ALL SOUNDS LIKE RUBBISH , ARE YOU IN HR OR SOMETHING

...and you obviously aren't