Fucking Managers!

[Ixion]

Has anyone ever thought that maybe the employer had to mortgage himself to the hilt to buy a $500,000 launch to entertain clients - to gain contracts
to keep the likes of YOU employed

Cos unfortunately THATS how it works

,,

Poor chap. Obviously gross exploitation. Wrings out the cockles of m'heart it does to see a fellow creature suffering like that. 'Tis a terrible thought I know, but knowing as I do the depravity of this world, I - no, it's too horrible a thought - you , (oh spare the poor fellow), you don't think that "entertaining" might mean that he is forced to endure unlimited expense account booze as well, do you? Tell y'what , tell him to join the union and we'll arrange for the workers to relieve him of those onerous and unfair burdens.

[paturoa]

... BUT I DONT SEE WHY OTHERS SHOULD GET RICH BY SKIMPING ON MY PAY .....

I'm not saying its fair or just or anything like that, the world is what it is. Wot I'm saying is stop piss ranting into the wind. You aren't going to change anything that way.

The only way you can change this if u want to be a "grunt" is go and work for a company that doesn't do what you dont like.

[WINJA]

Has anyone ever thought that maybe the employer had to mortgage himself to the hilt to buy a $500,000 launch to entertain clients - to gain contracts
to keep the likes of YOU employed

Cos unfortunately THATS how it works

No - its just a toy. it doesnt serve a purpose does it

TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT , BUT NO IT WASNT FOR THAT PURPOSE .
3 PEOPLE QUIT IN 1 WEEK , 25% OF THE STAFF LEFT IN 1 MONTH AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET A PAY RISE OUT OF A THRIVING BUSINESS AND THE BOSS GOES SAILING FOR A FEW MONTHS YEAH THATS SENSIBLE

[paturoa]

Poor chap. Obviously gross exploitation. Wrings out the cockles of m'heart it does to see a fellow creature suffering like that. 'Tis a terrible thought I know, but knowing as I do the depravity of this world, I - no, it's too horrible a thought - you , (oh spare the poor fellow), you don't think that "entertaining" might mean that he is forced to endure unlimited expense account booze as well, do you? Tell y'what , tell him to join the union and we'll arrange for the workers to relieve him of those onerous and unfair burdens.

lol - what sort of bike would they have to go with the boat?

[paturoa]

TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT , BUT NO IT WASNT FOR THAT PURPOSE .
3 PEOPLE QUIT IN 1 WEEK , 25% OF THE STAFF LEFT IN 1 MONTH AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET A PAY RISE OUT OF A THRIVING BUSINESS AND THE BOSS GOES SAILING FOR A FEW MONTHS YEAH THATS SENSIBLE

cool - that the bosses/owners choice and sounds like will go down the gurgler. Why dont you leave too.

Better still... use your houses as colllateral and buy it, don't get a boat and instead give the money to your "grunts".

[WINJA]

...and you obviously aren't

NAH I WORK FOR A LIVING IM NOT A FUCKEN LEACH LIKE AN HR FUCKWIT, HR TARDS ARE JUST ONE OF THOSE FUCKED UP THINGS WE COPIED OFF THE THE USA WITHOUT PUTTING ANY REAL THOUGHT INTO IT, HR PEOPLE ALWAYS TRY TO BURROW THEMSELVES INTO A COMPANY LIKE A DISGUSTING LITTLE TICK PROFESSING HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE HAVING A WORD IN THE BOSSES EAR SO THE CAN ELIMINATE THE FOLKS THAT QUESTION THEIR POSITION , WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN A COMPANY INTO USEFULL ELEMENTS HR PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY REQUIRED THEY ARE JUST FUCKEN BLOOD SUCKERS SCABING OFF THE HARD WORKING ELECTRICIANS,PLUMBERS,WELDERS,BUILDERS AND ENGINEERS IN THIS COUNTRY.

ARE YOU AND HR PERSON PER CHANCE?

[WINJA]

cool - that the bosses/owners choice and sounds like will go down the gurgler. Why dont you leave too.

Better still... use your houses as colllateral and buy it, don't get a boat and instead give the money to your "grunts".

I DID LEAVE AND ONE OF THE MINOR PARTNERS IN THE COMPANY CAME TO HAVE A CHAT WITH ME TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WTF WAS HAPPENING AND WHY ARE ALL THE VANS EMPTY AND WHERE ARE ALL THE STAFF GOING , SO NOW THE CUNT IS HIRING UNQUALIFIED UNSKILLED LABOUR , AND UNQUALIFIED IN THAT GAME MEANS YOU VOID THE CUSTOMERS INSURANCE , ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME B4 THE DEATH SPIRAL HAPPENS .

"GREED" ITS A FUCKER

[paturoa]

I DID LEAVE AND ONE OF THE MINOR PARTNERS IN THE COMPANY CAME TO HAVE A CHAT WITH ME TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WTF WAS HAPPENING AND WHY ARE ALL THE VANS EMPTY AND WHERE ARE ALL THE STAFF GOING , SO NOW THE CUNT IS HIRING UNQUALIFIED UNSKILLED LABOUR , AND UNQUALIFIED IN THAT GAME MEANS YOU VOID THE CUSTOMERS INSURANCE , ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME B4 THE DEATH SPIRAL HAPPENS .

"GREED" ITS A FUCKER

Yep vote with your feet!

Planet is full of them (greedies).

Surely there must be a good HR person out there somewhere???

[Big Dave]

Lias - Walk! (when you can)
Come join me in the carefree wold of freelancing. moneys not as good, but it's fweedom baby - yeah.

Winja - yep - the whole thing went down hill when they changed if from the 'Personnel Department' to 'Human Resources'. That was when I hung up my tie and never returned.

[KATWYN]

NAH I WORK FOR A LIVING IM NOT A FUCKEN LEACH LIKE AN HR FUCKWIT

HR PEOPLE ARE NOT REALLY REQUIRED THEY ARE JUST FUCKEN BLOOD SUCKERS SCABING OFF THE HARD WORKING ELECTRICIANS,PLUMBERS,WELDERS,BUILDERS AND ENGINEERS IN THIS COUNTRY.

ARE YOU AND HR PERSON PER CHANCE?

I reakon you have had a run in with an HR person....i'm sensing a tad bit of animosity.......

And no i'm not HR

Engineers are hard working.

In fact, in the early days of our business, my husband (engineer) worked a 55 hour day to get a job out (that we weren't paid for, for 6 months- by the way)
after that stint his feet were so red, swollen,cracked and sore he could hardly walk for days, it made me feel so sad and question whether its all worth it.

These are one of many things that happened to establish a business that no one will ever know about.

[Ixion]

,,Surely there must be a good HR person out there somewhere???

Some of them are OK as people. It's just that the whole HR thing just seems one big wankathon. What do they actually DO all day. I've never seen any of them actually produce anything .

[paturoa]

Some of them are OK as people. It's just that the whole HR thing just seems one big wankathon. What do they actually DO all day. I've never seen any of them actually produce anything .

Winja knows one that produced a 500k boat!

[Finn]

Blame the government and the constant financial pressure it puts on the company owners. Those decisions are forced because companies have no choice.

The increase in minimum wage
The new holiday act
The sick day act
Holiday pay going from 6 - 8% of annual gross earnings

At the same time increased costs to the company.
Freight
Supplies
Packaging
Services

It just goes on and on

And people question restructuring and how much it puts them out ? - talk to
Helen.

Katie
p.s An increase in management may have been made to increase productivity

This is most certainly true. NZ is not an attractive country to operate a business especially with a government that is run by academics that do not have a clue about stimulating growth.

However, corporates are their own worst enemy. Crippled by bureaucracy and incompetence. We are very thin on skilled management because of sub standard education and skilled people getting pissed off with the place and moving off shore.

Apart from the beautiful scenery and a relaxed lifestyle, there's not much else going for NZ.

[paturoa]

Apart from the beautiful scenery and a relaxed lifestyle, there's not much else going for NZ.

You forgot to mention broad minded people like u, me and winja!

[Finn]

You work for the local public hospital system?

No, I dropped out of school. Even at that age I realised the NZ education system would get me nowhere.