Fucking Managers!

[Big Dave]

What do they actually DO all day. I've never seen any of them actually produce anything .

Manage all the law suits and grievances from the former employees they sacked. When they have done that they set about creating some more - all in the name of efficiency and productivity.

[Big Dave]

No, I dropped out of school. Even at that age I realised the NZ education system would get me nowhere.

And riding that dirty wog job is somewhere?

speeeeking of which - what about tomorrow AM?

[kickingzebra]

Our Institutional academics would have you believe that some of New Zealands universities are second tier on the world scale (only behind the Yales, and Princetons etc)

They are sooo wrong. The funding going on in those universities dwarfs our Government spending.

So as long as our Universities continue to churn out untrained regurgitators of outdated curricula, The situation will continue.

But can a university actually produce a good manager? Seems unlikely.

[Finn]

And riding that dirty wog job is somewhere?

speeeeking of which - what about tomorrow AM?

Should be okay. I'll call you in the AM.

[WINJA]

I reakon you have had a run in with an HR person....i'm sensing a tad bit of animosity.......

And no i'm not HR

Well, our other business is a specialized engineering business - and yes engineers are hard working.

In fact, in the early days of our business, my husband worked a 55 hour day to get a job out (that we weren't paid for, for 6 months- by the way)
after that stint his feet were so red, swollen,cracked and sore he could hardly walk for days, it made me feel so sad and question whether its all worth it.

These are one of many things that happened to establish a business that no one will ever know about.

FUCK YEAH IVE HAD A LOT OF ARGUEMENTS WITH HR PEOPLE , IVE ASKED SOME HR BITCH HOW SHE WAS QUALIFIED TO ASK ME QUESTIONS CAUSE AN ENGINEER NEEDS TO BE INTERVIEWED BY AN ENGINEER FOR MY FIELD , SHE WAS ASKING THE DAFTEST QUESTIONS I FELT LIKE SPITTING IN HER FACE , I TOLD HER TO STICK HER JOB UP HER TWAT, MY BEST JOBS IVE EVER HAD WERE THE ONES WHERE I SHOOK HANDS WITH THE GM AND DIDNT SIGN A CONTRACT , FUCKEN HR PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE HOW CAN YOU IMPROVE YOURSELF WHAT ARE YOUR 3 STRONGEST AND WEEKEST POINTS FUCK THAT FUCKEN HR PIECES OF SHIT NEVER WORKED A DAY IN THEIR LIFE WASTING MY TIME WITH STUPID QUESTIONS, ILL ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS ONLY IF I CANT GET A JOB ELSEWHERE AND I CANT FEED MY FAMILY TILL THAT DAY THEY CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES .

AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON WHY AN HR PERSON THEN HIRES A CONSULTANT TO FIND EMPLOYEES

[Big Dave]

Should be okay. I'll call you in the AM.

Cool - Forecast is for a wet arvo.

[KATWYN]

FUCK YEAH IVE HAD A LOT OF ARGUEMENTS WITH HR PEOPLE , IVE ASKED SOME HR BITCH HOW SHE WAS QUALIFIED TO ASK ME QUESTIONS CAUSE AN ENGINEER NEEDS TO BE INTERVIEWED BY AN ENGINEER FOR MY FIELD , SHE WAS ASKING THE DAFTEST QUESTIONS I FELT LIKE SPITTING IN HER FACE , I TOLD HER TO STICK HER JOB UP HER TWAT, MY BEST JOBS IVE EVER HAD WERE THE ONES WHERE I SHOOK HANDS WITH THE GM AND DIDNT SIGN A CONTRACT , FUCKEN HR PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE HOW CAN YOU IMPROVE YOURSELF WHAT ARE YOUR 3 STRONGEST AND WEEKEST POINTS FUCK THAT FUCKEN HR PIECES OF SHIT NEVER WORKED A DAY IN THEIR LIFE WASTING MY TIME WITH STUPID QUESTIONS, ILL ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS ONLY IF I CANT GET A JOB ELSEWHERE AND I CANT FEED MY FAMILY TILL THAT DAY THEY CAN GO FUCK THEMSELVES .

AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON WHY AN HR PERSON THEN HIRES A CONSULTANT TO FIND EMPLOYEES

I thort so.

Actually, your experiences sound like you were patronized. Its understandable
you are annoyed at HR

[kickingzebra]

Might have been because you didn't give the right sex...

[WINJA]

Hi
I was once in a technical role in a technical company where the pay rates
were set by non technical HR people and I sure felt I was loosing big time
so I went and did some entry level hr qualifications with a view to becoming
one of them. While I did pass I had no luck internally or externally applying
for jobs perhaps because I was the wrong sex.

MAYBE YOU JUST NEEDED A RATSHIT AMERICAN HAIRDO THICK RIMMED RED FRAME GLASSES AND BRIGHT RED MAKEUP , THEY ALL HAVE THAT LOOK DONT THEY, FUCK I HATE THEM

[James Deuce]

Not to mention Psychometric testing, Panel Interviews, Multiple interviews with never any feedback or even a note to say thanks for spending your time with us, HR Arseholes who agree to be a referee and then give you an iffy reference (excellent HR management material, that particular arsehole). The whole Recruiting Industry seems to be where HR arseholes wash up when the Corporate tide goes out.

I'm the only FTE for a customer with 80 servers and a whole hash of customised, "cheap", solutions. I have to chose which disaster to avert each day, and one day I chose really wrong, so the senior management threw more, you guessed it, management bodies into the environment to fix it. I now answer to 4 people. I'd love a ratio of 3.4 people to each manager. I have 4 managers to one worker.

[Jantar]

Hi
I was once in a technical role in a technical company where the pay rates
were set by non technical HR people ...

That is normal. HR people seem to have the idea that if you need someone with technical skills you just go and hire them. Technical, engineering, mathmatical and scientific skills are taught at university, and people with any or all of these skills are thick on the ground (Tui Ad inserted here).

What HR don't realise is that once you find someone with the right knowledge they still have to be trained in industry specific roles procedures and applications. Rather than people with the right skills being thick on the ground, there is a world wide shortage and pay rates need to reflect what is paid on a global scale.

We had a resignation in our team in September last year. By the time we got HR approval to advertise and appoint a replacement it was March this year before a replacement actually started, and it will be at least another 2 - 3 months before he is fully competent to be working solo.

We had another resignation yesterday, so we'll be advertising for another replacement shortly. Meanwhile it means we'll be operating with a skeleton staff for another year. At least we have finally convinced HR that skilled people deserve a decent salary. Anyone here looking for a new job?

[Ixion]

Those stupid pyschometric tests, I've done so many of them over the years , they all come up with the same result and say I ought to be a salesman. And anyone who knows me will tell y' that I'm the very last person in the world to be a salesman, cos I'm no good at bullshitting people, and I'd tell them all the things that were wrong with the product and why it wasn't suitable for them.

I reckon they're a total load of crap.

[Jantar]

Those stupid pyschometric tests, I've done so many of them over the years , they all come up with the same result and say I ought to be a salesman. And anyone who knows me will tell y' that I'm the very last person in the world to be a salesman, cos I'm no good at bullshitting people, and I'd tell them all the things that were wrong with the product and why it wasn't suitable for them.

I reckon they're a total load of crap.

I've done quite a few as well. My results have all suggested either an Astro-physicist or a naval cartographer. Rather limited job opportunities in NZ for either of those fields. When I've enquired what attribute are required for such jobs as Power System Controller or Hydro Group controller I get told that there are no such vocations in their database. Strange when you consider that there 10 times as many Power System Controllers in NZ as there are Naval Cartograhpers.

[Ixion]

I was going to say it was because they are all yank based, then I remembered the Tennassee (sp?) Valley Authority.

[scumdog]

Meh, due to the protocol for job advertising we've been 1 to 2 people down since Christmas - and that's in a six man team....
Also HR may not like my answers in the last poll we had - may have to see Sniper or WINJA for a job.....