$2,400 for Hurt and Suffering

[avgas]

fucken wanker, pity they didnt knee cap him

[WINJA]

The worm will never turn, cos the employers are just that , the employer

WINJA=0.8 Labour Units

WINJA=2 LABOUR UNITS

[scumdog]

Thats $710, You didnt have to pay GST either. And housing cost were cheaper.

I'm on $500 before tax for 50 hours work.

You're in the wrong job.

OR You must like what you're doing or you would move.

And as a matter of fact a shitload of other items were hell or a lot more expensive back then.

[Mr. Peanut]

Not everyone is an independent, intellligent, white male with options. There are plenty of people without a choice.

Im off to tertiary next year, so I'm not that concerned over my pay rate. I'm just not comfortable about the people who have to work these jobs, getting such a raw deal. Someones gotta fill the shelves.

[Ixion]

Intelligent, articulate 30 and 40 year olds with tertiary qualifications and in demand skills can manage very well under the present employment arrangements. Of course, they always could.

But society should not be measured on the basis of how well it treats people who are well able to look out for themselves.It should be judged on how well it looks out for those who are weak, vulnerable and ill equipped to stand up for themselves. On that basis our society when judged is found wanting.

Most employers are decent and reasonable. They always were. Some are not.

Most workers can stand up for themselves and, one way or another, cut a reasonable deal - whether that be by striking out on their own, like Mr JimJim, or by telling ratbag bosses to fuck off like Mr WINJA, or by virtue of presenting in demand skill like Mr Jantar. But there will be some workers for whom none of these options are feasible , for many reasons.

All to often these become the prey of the gredy vicious and unscrupulous employer. An exploitation that we , as a society, now seem happy to condone.

Elevating "I'm all right, Jack, and sod the rest of you" to a cultural mantra is not progress.

[JimO]

There goes mr WINJA at it again i have the bikes i have by choice, the two houses i own total up to around $650 k which wont impress a big shot like you of course because you tell hr people to "fuck off" im not pro bad employers but cant stand employees who think they are owed a big wage and lots of holidays etc because they turn up to work to go through the day as half assed as they can. In fact i have heard that WINJA is a 17 year old pimply faced short kid who lives with his mum

[metric]

Anyone ever tried to get a single word changed in one of those international corporate standard contracts?

Yes.

It didn't happen. Not for want of trying...

[willy_01]

Reading this thread seems to show some people pretty unhappy with their lot. If this is the case no laws or government intervention is going to help you.
As a national voter and general ‘hands off’ government policy supporter (within reason of course) I see little problem with the ERA. I confess im younger than most on this site but have studied and do deal with it daily. The ERA is pretty lopsided when it comes to who it favours, however businesses have other tools in their arsenal so I feel it equals itself up, the biggest being the financial ability to hire someone with sound knowledge of the law, thus being able to develop a solid defence. Remember employment is most certainly not an area where ignorance is bliss. I’ve seen employment contracts and advertisements that are just screaming PG.

[Winston001]

Reading this thread seems to show some people pretty unhappy with their lot. If this is the case no laws or government intervention is going to help you.

Businesses have other tools in their arsenal so I feel it equals itself up, the biggest being the financial ability to hire someone with sound knowledge of the law,

Remember employment is most certainly not an area where ignorance is bliss.

Most employers are small businesses. They employ 3 - 7 staff at the most. These employers are sometimes no better off than their employees and struggle on hoping its all going to turn out in the long run.

Many employers cannot afford to go running to lawyers every time they have a problem.

[idb]

IDB GO FUCK YOURSELF

A good point well made whinger.
You've turned me 'round to your view.

[idb]

Intelligent, articulate 30 and 40 year olds with tertiary qualifications and in demand skills can manage very well under the present employment arrangements. Of course, they always could.

But society should not be measured on the basis of how well it treats people who are well able to look out for themselves.It should be judged on how well it looks out for those who are weak, vulnerable and ill equipped to stand up for themselves. On that basis our society when judged is found wanting.

Most employers are decent and reasonable. They always were. Some are not.

Most workers can stand up for themselves and, one way or another, cut a reasonable deal - whether that be by striking out on their own, like Mr JimJim, or by telling ratbag bosses to fuck off like Mr WINJA, or by virtue of presenting in demand skill like Mr Jantar. But there will be some workers for whom none of these options are feasible , for many reasons.

All to often these become the prey of the gredy vicious and unscrupulous employer. An exploitation that we , as a society, now seem happy to condone.

Elevating "I'm all right, Jack, and sod the rest of you" to a cultural mantra is not progress.

Quite right....you can't assume that all employers are pricks, with greater power or financial resources than their employees.
Likewise, you can't assume that all workers are powerless and dependent.
What is unhelpful is an attitude of 'them and us'.

Any law should be able to take into account all possible scenarios, not favour or disadvantage one side or the other.

And don't forget that most employers are workers themselves, it just so happens that they own the business as well.

[JimO]

what he said

[Winston001]

Just for clarity, I think the proposed 3 month trial period only permits the employer at the end to say "Thanks, but no thanks".

The employer is still bound by all other employment laws such as health and safety, no harrassment, no discrimination, equal pay rates etc. So its actually a pretty narrow change.

At the most basic level, the boss wants someone to turn up reliably, do the job, not annoy customers or other employees. 3 months is a fair trial period for everybody. No boss is going to go through the hassle of getting a new employee if they don't need to.

[Patrick]

Some employers deserve all they get, have a mate who came off a bike, cage on her side of the road... hit the car or the bank...ummmmm... ended up with a broken ankle after hitting the bank...went on ACC and coz it took longer to come right than "expected" they gave her the boot!!!). I'm sure this unfair dismissal will make headlines soon...

In this case however, my sympathy is with the boss. Shame the houseowner can't sue the tosser for $10K or much more for "hurt feelings and dignity" in the name of their grandparents...

[WINJA]

In this case however, my sympathy is with the boss. Shame the houseowner can't sue the tosser for $10K or much more for "hurt feelings and dignity" in the name of their grandparents...

BUT YOUVE ONLY GOT HALF THE STORY , YOUR OPINION MAY BE VERY DIFFERENT IF YOU HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY , DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK THESE EMPLOYMENT COURT PEOPLE ARE REALLY THAT STUPID , I BET IF YOU SAT IN THE COURT THRU THE WHOLE PROCEEDING AND LISTEND TO BOTH SIDES AND THE JUDGES COMMENTS YOU MAY CHANGE YOUR MIND A BIT, HE COULD HAVE BEEN CHINESE AND THE SWASTIKA BACKWARDS MEANS PEACE AND GOOD LUCK (OR SIMILAR POSITIVE SHIT)IN THEIR CULTURE , HE MAY HAVE ACCIDENTLY USED THE COMPANY FUEL CARD CAUSE I KNOW IVE ACCIDENTLY USED MY CREDIT CARD TO FILL THE COMPANY CAR ITS EASILY DONE, FUCK IM GLAD YOUR NOT A COP OR SIMILAR PATRICK