Here's a question - how fast are cops allowed to drive?

**Ozzie** · 13th July 2006, 09:50

At what point does public safety come into it?

Fair enough, he fucked up, he was caught, as it should be. BUT!

Fuck, 200ks and you guys are still chasing? Have you not heard of the radio? It goes faster than any bike, keep an eye on him, he has to stop sooner or later.

What if me and my 3 kids come round the corner in the cage, and this dipstick (or an under talented cop) drift on the wrong side of the road in a forced error? He's dead, I'm dead, and chances are my kids aren't gunna get off that easy.

There are dumb fucks all over, raving about how fast they go and how cool they are. You are all the same, wearing blue, flashing lights or not. Just as dumb as the dickhead you were chasing.

Think Grow up is some of your own advise you should take!

Break the law, get caught

, chase or be chased and kill some innocent ?????

**scumdog** · 13th July 2006, 09:57

Then at what point SHOULD a chase be called off??

There's already drongos out there that believe the urban myth that "the cops will call the chase off if you go faster than 160kph" so tend to try and go faster than that - and would do that speed and more regardless of how fast the pursuit car was travelling so the chase will be 'called-off' and they can 'get away'.

**Quasievil** · 13th July 2006, 10:05

Originally Posted by Ozzie

At what point does public safety come into it?

Fair enough, he fucked up, he was caught, as it should be. BUT!

Fuck, 200ks and you guys are still chasing? Have you not heard of the radio? It goes faster than any bike, keep an eye on him, he has to stop sooner or later.

What if me and my 3 kids come round the corner in the cage, and this dipstick (or an under talented cop) drift on the wrong side of the road in a forced error? He's dead, I'm dead, and chances are my kids aren't gunna get off that easy.

There are dumb fucks all over, raving about how fast they go and how cool they are. You are all the same, wearing blue, flashing lights or not. Just as dumb as the dickhead you were chasing.

Think Grow up is some of your own advise you should take!

Break the law, get caught

, chase or be chased and kill some innocent ?????

Fair call, I agree., however It was along time ago, and things have changed alot since then.
The Pursuit was called of and the job was radioed ahead and officers where heading south to catch him as well. He already had gone around one pilice road block, at this point you start to think something is going down a bit bigger than a traffic offence, yeah?
During the whole pursuit at 1 am the traffic was very slight if any.
I agree with you though about Public safety, at the time it wasnt comprimised cause there was no one around. I think these days the whole event would go down alot differently, given the new directives the cops work to in pursuits.
The car topped at 200 kmph (going downhill) probably the average was 140kmph - 160 kmph, given the enviroment it wasnt really a big deal, big wide state one roads etc.
Anyway, IM not going to justify the situation to anyone to much, point being I dont need to, However like most things there are two sides to every story.

**Ozzie** · 13th July 2006, 10:06

Originally Posted by scumdog

Then at what point SHOULD a chase be called off??

There's already drongos out there that believe the urban myth that "the cops will call the chase off if you go faster than 160kph" so tend to try and go faster than that - and would do that speed and more regardless of how fast the pursuit car was travelling so the chase will be 'called-off' and they can 'get away'.

I understand the plight, perhaps the question better asked is: At what point is catching this dickhead worth killing someone for?

The prospect he may have killed someone, or raped or whatever, is that worth pushing the envelope and having him, you, or a family of inoccents killed?

You guys are there to protect, directly and indirectly. I am certain, through all the events you described, someone must have got his plate????

And you said Eagle was involved, can't outrun Eagle. Must be a 2 minute flight from Clevedon. At least in this case, the dumb fuck you were chasing had the good sense to recognise if he kept going, chances are he was going to be dead, and it wasn't worth it.

**The Stranger:Me** · 13th July 2006, 10:07

Originally Posted by Bykey Cop

For Gold passes, please see the www.newcops.co.nz website and you will be well on your way.

Basically consists of a 2-3 hour theory lecture and test on driving / pursuit policy plus a 2-3 hour practical driving assessment... just like sitting your drivers licence all over again but slightly more complex. If the instructor isn't happy with your driving, then you get a Silver or Bronze (which limits what you can do, mainly in pursuits). You can apply to be re-assessed every 6 months I think if you want to try again for Gold.

Hmm... So we are not all created equal? Kind of interesting, that the police recognise that driver ability is a factor is safe speeding and the police are allowed different levels of latitiude as a result.

I look forward to the day when our licensing system allows for variable ability in the rest of us.

**scumdog** · 13th July 2006, 10:09

GOLD.
(What else?)

**scumdog** · 13th July 2006, 10:11

Originally Posted by Ozzie

I understand the plight, perhaps the question better asked is: At what point is catching this dickhead worth killing someone for?

The prospect he may have killed someone, or raped or whatever, is that worth pushing the envelope and having him, you, or a family of inoccents killed?

You guys are there to protect, directly and indirectly. I am certain, through all the events you described, someone must have got his plate????

And you said Eagle was involved, can't outrun Eagle. Must be a 2 minute flight from Clevedon. At least in this case, the dumb fuck you were chasing had the good sense to recognise if he kept going, chances are he was going to be dead, and it wasn't worth it.

And if it went the way you think it should somebody somewhere would say "The useless bastards let him get away"

Ya can't win in this job (they never told me that in the 'job description')

**Ozzie** · 13th July 2006, 10:23

Originally Posted by scumdog

"The useless bastards let him get away"

Perhaps, but considering the shit fight that would have been if he had of crashed....which scenario is better?

I don't envy the job, as long as you chase, people are gunna want to run. Be it for a serious crime, points, or ego, it will happen.

Just like it was skited

Originally Posted by Quasievil

"200 Kmph north of huntly , chasing a VTR1000.............got him to"

, others will skite that they were the ones that got away. Your right, cant win, but my point is SAFETY, is my life worth loosing cause some dumb ass wants to say "I beat the cops, got up to 200 ks an hour" and another one wants to say "I got the bastard, doing 200 ks an hour, thought he could out run me, I showed him!".

Then you could write on the grave stone...."He died doing nothing wrong, but hey, and least we got that speeding rider and showed him who's boss!"

**Quasievil** · 13th July 2006, 10:58

Originally Posted by Ozzie

Perhaps, but considering the shit fight that would have been if he had of crashed....which scenario is better?

I don't envy the job, as long as you chase, people are gunna want to run. Be it for a serious crime, points, or ego, it will happen.

Just like it was skited , others will skite that they were the ones that got away. Your right, cant win, but my point is SAFETY, is my life worth loosing cause some dumb ass wants to say "I beat the cops, got up to 200 ks an hour" and another one wants to say "I got the bastard, doing 200 ks an hour, thought he could out run me, I showed him!".

Then you could write on the grave stone...."He died doing nothing wrong, but hey, and least we got that speeding rider and showed him who's boss!"

Sitting in a car doing excessive speed is not as dangerous as a large majority of other police work

**Ozzie** · 13th July 2006, 11:06

I accept it isn't as dangerous for you, but it isn't you that I'm worried about.

Anyway, it sounds a lot like me slagging off cops, which is not what I wanted to do. I am slagging off people with a need for speed and piss talk that outranks their ability to make sound decisions.

Good on the cops, they do a job I wouldn't do, and mostly do it well. The ones I know are all great guys (and girls) and I'm pretty sure all of them would give me a ticket if I deserved one, it is their job after all.

**Lou Girardin** · 13th July 2006, 12:22

It's interesting that we always hear; "he could have drugs/have a weapon/ be a labour voter etc' as a justification for endangering the public during a chase.
The bottom line is that, this guy (and the one in Whangarei) were only speeding, the reason to chase is no more than that.
It's not an indictable offence. (yet)

**scumdog** · 13th July 2006, 12:31

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

It's interesting that we always hear; "he could have drugs/have a weapon/ be a labour voter etc' as a justification for endangering the public during a chase.
The bottom line is that, this guy (and the one in Whangarei) were only speeding, the reason to chase is no more than that.
It's not an indictable offence. (yet)

So anybody that refuses to stop?

We just let 'em go, seems fair enough to me, let's all do runners eh, better than a ticket, - I guess I'll have to pick on parked cars from now on..

Of course we all KNEW the dick at Whangarei was only speeding and doing nothing else eh? (Tui's moment here)

20-20 hindsight, we all have it.

**Ozzie** · 13th July 2006, 12:54

Originally Posted by scumdog

I guess I'll have to pick on parked cars from now on..

Surely there is some middle ground between parked cars and 200 km/h.

There has to be a logical decision at some point, like:

Fuck, we are going too fast, it isn't safe for us, him, and anyone else around the place. Let him go, get the chopper in, even if he gets away, at least noone has died unneccessarily! It's just not worth it.

Take some stats;

How many bikes are stopped a day?
Of the ones that don't want to stop?
How many are on the run hardened crims?
How many jump out of the car swinging bats, bars, or guns?

Would think the clear majority would have to be just speeding, or running from a low grade offence and fairly safe to aprehend.

**scumdog** · 13th July 2006, 13:05

Originally Posted by Ozzie

Take some stats;

How many bikes are stopped a day?
Of the ones that don't want to stop?
How many are on the run hardened crims?
How many jump out of the car swinging bats, bars, or guns?
.

It would only take one and your day would be ruined.

Look at it another way, how many who do a successful runner ARE hardened crims with something to hide?

And everybody has a different perception as to what is a 'dangerous' speed or situation, too hard to draw a hard and fast (pun?) line.