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  1. #211
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    My take on the CBTA Restricted test.

    I did it with Phil McDaid at riderskills.co.nz.


    Turned up, did some paperwork then checked my bike over. WOF, Reg, Electrics, chain tension and tyre condition. I had to explain the chain tension and tyre checks. He then checked I had a jacket on, gloves, approved helmet, trousers and ankle covering footwear. Note - trainers do not cover ankles. Work-boots do though. I was wearing a hi-vis else he would have provided one.

    He fitted a two way radio to my helmet and told me what he expected on the test. Whilst the radio is 2 way, he said he wouldn't enter into conversation. I could just ask him to repeat things and whatnot.

    The test itself was over an hour. Weather was shocking. Thunderstorms/rain/sun-in-eyes/everything.... We started with a "how fast are you going" to calibrate speedometers. Then pootled around town for a bit. Lots of stop signs (one foot down), unmarked junctions (top of T goes before...), lane merges (remember to indicate) and so on. Also several U turns, although Phil does these in dead end side roads in the turning circle at the end. Still tight turns though.

    He was also watching for road-craft and expected me to be in the right hand wheel tread when around town.

    Out of town, we used a lot of 80kph and a brief 100kph road.

    He asked me to turn around in a way I deemed appropriate at one point, on an 80kph road. 50m or so after this instruction, I pulled into a layby, pushed myself back and 90' to the curb then turned right onto the road. This was what he wanted.
    This time, road-craft wise, he wanted positioning that made for best visibility on my part and best position for others to see me. Left handers sticking to the centreline. Right handers sticking on the left. Straights were depending on upcoming junctions (i.e. best place for people to see you).

    His route includes a temporary 50kph on a 100kph road that has absolutely no basis to be there (I'm convinced they forgot to remove the sign) and is observed by no-body (except you of course!).

    You also go a couple of junctions down the SH16 motorway.


    He will ask you to pull over several times where safe to write notes - this is your judgement and doesn't mean immediately. Safe has to be somewhere where you could legally park and it is appropriate for you to stop.

    He expects good progress at the speed limit if safe/appropriate.
    Don't stop too close behind people in queues - leave a small car length.
    Don't forget to cancel indicators!
    Actually move your head when looking in mirrors and don't forget blind spot checks.
    Pattern faults (i.e. making the same minor error a few times in a row) can easily accrue for positioning (i.e. wrong position on a corner - we probably went round 100 corners and only 6 need be wrong).

    My bike decided to drop into neutral on a greasy roundabout then find its gear again, causing a brief sideways slide. I assumed this was bad but he said something like "Bike gearboxes are never perfect. You immediately regained control and it didn't adversely affect your riding. No issue"

    I had done a training ride with him a few months prior which was very useful.



    I passed first time. 3 cornering position errors and one "stop too close" error.

    It was one of the hardest rides I have ever done though! I take the view that there is no margin for error on a bike so you want it to be hard.


    N.B. I have recently taken the 6F CBTA with him and passed with one minor (stopping too close again - I knew straight away lol!).

    Similar test, shorter, no motorway, less urban, more 100kph, far less tolerance for minor errors.

    Phil had just bought a GoPro and had it on the front of the bike. He was happy to give me the video afterwards (I had a USB with me). I believe he is using it on all tests now.

    You can take the CBTA full test whenever you want, but cannot apply for full license until you have held 6R for a year.

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    Just booked a Ride Forever Bronze Course with Dan Ornsby (Christchurch) for Wed, and restricted test in Rangiora for Thu morning, so hopefully by the end of the week I'll have my restricted!

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    Worth it fellas...

    The thing is..before the LAMS shit came about, I used to ride around on my GN250 and drool at the larger CC ADV bikes, even the KLR! FFS.....
    I bided my time, rode and rode and passed the tests...
    Couldn't wait to get something bigger between my legs! (I am a bloke remember!)
    Anyhow...I covered loads and loads of Km's was swamped by logging trucks, blown over by wind gusts and looked at like a tosser...on a little cc moped wanna be....

    It all paid off!
    On ya! Nice work.....
    We all trash the system but in the end .....Yes, still trash...BUT, you have a good window of opportunity of bikes! BUT can tou ride them well?
    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDNZ View Post
    Just booked a Ride Forever Bronze Course with Dan Ornsby (Christchurch) for Wed, and restricted test in Rangiora for Thu morning, so hopefully by the end of the week I'll have my restricted!
    Good luck! I've heard good things about the Ride Forever courses, it's probably a good idea to do their full range of courses, even when you have a full licence. Even the police ( woop woop) retrain annually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waihou Thumper View Post
    [I]The thing is.. before the LAMS shit came about, I used to ride around on my GN250
    A KLR or DR650 is what I had planned to "work up" too... couldn't believe it when I learned I could get either on LAMS and a learner ticket. I'm quite a fan of the whole LAMS thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Waihou Thumper View Post
    BUT can you ride them well?
    Not yet but working on it


    Quote Originally Posted by WristTwister View Post
    it's probably a good idea to do their full range of courses
    Definitely!.. $20 for the bronze and $50 each for the gold and silver, silly not to really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayDNZ View Post
    A KLR or DR650 is what I had planned to "work up" too... couldn't believe it when I learned I could get either on LAMS and a learner ticket. I'm quite a fan of the whole LAMS thing.

    Not yet but working on it

    Definitely!.. $20 for the bronze and $50 each for the gold and silver, silly not to really.
    I was a bit disappointed with mine to be honest. Yeah, $20 for a day of training. That is pretty good value. But for the time invested I didn't get out of it as much as I expected. I am pretty new to the riding thing and have a lot that I could work on, and that was the mindset I went into it with. I did get some tips and found out about a couple roads that make for a nice ride but all up I could have gleaned it all in a couple hours rather than all day. Maybe the Silver and Gold courses provide more useful info or maybe if my handling skills were higher I could have learned more but I was, as already said, disappointed in the results given the time commitment.

    I have done some advanced Scuba diving training, through an agency that is known for having excellent teaching (and churning out some egotistical knobs if you know the diving community). I learnt a lot in that course and experienced very good training. What I found with the Rideforever training was that it was like the rest of the Scuba diving industry. There are places that have worked out how to make a buck by churning through students and meeting the minimums. Yes you get something out of it but there is a world of difference in what you learn between the two.

    Next time I want training, when I actually have time to sit the next step in my license, I am probably going to stump up the cash and go through one of the other training providers and pay at their rates rather than get ACC to cover it. That way I know what the instructors and the market value their time as, and can use that to select someone that is decent and will help me improve my riding the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambaldi View Post
    I was a bit disappointed with mine to be honest....
    I am kinda expecting that the Bronze will be pretty basic, it is designed for L plate riders, I think your right in that the silver and gold will cover more advanced stuff.
    Investment wise, I'm off work this week anyway, so not taking a day leave for the course and I figure that if I only learn 1 or 2 things it will be worth it given I have my restricted test the next day and a resit would be around $90.

    I'm sure tuition standards will vary from company to company, Dan Ornsby seems to have a pretty good reputation in Christchurch, he does a lot more than just the Ride Forever stuff, so fingers crossed it'll be a good day!

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    Did the Ride Forever Bronze today, it was a good day... Riding around town was less fun (but obviously necessary)... when we got out on the open to Taitapu it was way better!!! Plus an instructor giving tips and commentary along the way, also met a few like minded local newbies, cant think of a better way to spend $20!!

    Apparently Silver and Gold involve much more open road riding.

    The instructor (Pete at Dan Ornsby Training) spent 30 odd years as a motorcycle cop, retired 4 months ago as a sergeant, so REALLY knew his shit... Top bloke!!!

    Would recommend without hesitation... Restricted test in the morning in Rangiora AA, fingers crossed!

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    Passed my restricted this morning at Rangiora AA, the tester (lady called "Ra") didn't mention any minors so I assume none where spotted!

    Ra followed me around in a car for 20-25 minutes, we did a few u-turns and then headed back to base... fastest road was 80KM.

    One thing I would say, if you don't have a intercom unit (like me) and don't know the local streets particularly well (like me) then you will probably have to stop every 3-5 turns to be told where to go next (like me), also because she was in a car we separated a few times on roundabouts/lights/junctions and I had to pull over and wait for her. It didn't bother me, but if you are less confident this could be a bit distracting and a bit of a hassle.... Going CBTA assessment way will likely provide an assessor on 2 wheels plus an intercom to know where you're going... Which will make things much smoother.

    Anyway, L plate is in the bin and we're good to go!! Plan to do the Silver Ride Forever course and the 6F CBTA assessment in the next 6 months or so (but will have to wait 12 before I can turn the certificate into a 6F licence).

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    Tips for restricted licence test

    Hi all,
    Been riding on learners for few months now and booked my restricted test for early March in Wellington.

    I used to ride bikes in the States many years ago but licence lapsed and now I started with learners . I believe I'm competent enough rider but lots to learn.

    Just wanted to know if you have any tips for restricted bike licence? What had most failure rates or they are ver particular about ?


    Thanks


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    Don't fall off.
    Don't ride like a Dick.
    Head Checks/situational awareness.
    Correct use of Indicators.
    Maintaining correct speed for a given piece of road.
    Stop at Stop signs (so foot down and a 3 second count).
    Give way at Give way signs.
    Don't cut solid white lines.
    Generally adhere to the road rules.



    Oh and remember to pull a mean as Wheelie and Stoppie.

    They love that shit.
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    Probably wouldn't show up drunk.

    Make sure you're head checks are almost exaggerated so they can tell you're actually doing them.

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    Thanks for the tips i will practice my wheelies then , do I need to do rubber burn too ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Don't fall off.
    Don't ride like a Dick.
    Head Checks/situational awareness.
    Correct use of Indicators.
    Maintaining correct speed for a given piece of road.
    Stop at Stop signs (so foot down and a 3 second count).
    Give way at Give way signs.
    Don't cut solid white lines.
    Generally adhere to the road rules.
    And keep doing them for the rest of your riding career...
    Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    And keep doing them for the rest of your riding career...
    All except this one "Don't cut solid white lines". Kind of hard to get in and out of Bus Lanes without crossing one.

    I've been told that there is nothing in legal terms that says you're not supposed to cross them. Can anyone provide evidence to the contrary?
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