Revenue Gathering aka "Road Safety"

[k14]

Saw that Sunday is doing a doco about the cops and their approach to revenue gathering, oops I mean "road safety" tonight at 7:30. Should be good for a 2 sided view to it, although I doubt if it will change my opinion.

[Menial]

it has abit about how biased the LTSA claims actually are; to do with stopping distances etc I guess

[Skyryder]

Saw that Sunday is doing a doco about the cops and their approach to revenue gathering, oops I mean "road safety" tonight at 7:30. Should be good for a 2 sided view to it, although I doubt if it will change my opinion.

I think what a lot of us do not realise what the cops see on the road in the course of their duty. I remeber a few years ago at a party I got into a chinwag with an officer who was telling me the sort of issues they have to deal with at accident sites. While the blood and guts is bad enough it is the injured that use to give this guy the shits. That and the relaitives girl/boyfriend, husband/wives and the children: both the dead and the living, not to mention a host of other shit that we do not see as we drive past an accident scene. Sometimes we need to stepback a bit and just wonder what it would be like out there without them.


Skyryder

[dangerous]

Sometimes we need to stepback a bit and just wonder what it would be like out there without them. Skyryder

A hell of a more relaxing ride, knowing that after the next car that I'm following at 90kph.... when I pass it, and hit 111kph that I wont be nicked for it AGAIN

[FROSTY:Me]

I only have a problem with the bloody hidden cameras -They can't possibly achieve anything.

[k14]

hahahahahaha, well that just emphasised the fact that the reasons are solely money driven. That head cop they were interviewing got completly shot down in flames by that reporter.

What a joke.

[Yamahamaman]

hahahahahaha, well that just emphasised the fact that the reasons are solely money driven. That head cop they were interviewing got completly shot down in flames by that reporter.

What a joke.

Indeed, that word 'benefit' did not help the LTSA case at all.

[Deano]

How about this for an idea.

To highlight that it is not just speed that kills, we all make a united effort to call *555 for EVERY incident of law breaking on the road.

For instance, following distances, failing to indicate, pulling out in front of you etc.

I liked the example of overtaking "safely" at 100km/h. It highlighted to me that it is safer to exceed the speed limit if need bew to overtake quickly than to stick within the 100k/h rule - and who really wants to chance a ticket at the officer's discretion ?

I may be a hypocrite in some instances by the way I ride, but generally speaking motorcyclists are putting themselves at danger as we are most vulnerable. I think that you make a judgement call as to whether a particular manouvere is safe or not - and the bikers who do not generally do not live long.

I think incompetence contributes to more accidents than speed. I recall reading in here that something like 12% of road deaths (or accidents are caused by speed), or should that be more accuratley put, speed CONTRIBUTED to the accident, implying that the driver was not able to safely drive his vehicle at that speed.

Take the autobahns - I know they are fantastic roads, smooth, fairly straight etc, but some of those guys travel at up to 300km/h, and if you are under 160km/h, you better be in the slow lane

I don't really approve of narcing on motorists, but if thats what it takes to show the LTSA that other factors beside speed are occurring every minute of the day, then they may have to admit that the focus predominantly on speed is misguided and admit it is revenue gathering.

Personally, if I was regularly getting ticketed for speed, my response would be to go out and buy a detector - so what is the deterrant ?

p.s Its not speeding that kills it is the stopping.

[Yamahamaman]

How about this for an idea.

To highlight that it is not just speed that kills, we all make a united effort to call *555 for EVERY incident of law breaking on the road.

Yeah, I like the idea
However:-
Scenario - see incident, stop on side of road, take off gloves, remove helmet, dial *555, damn what was that plate number

[Deano]

I think what a lot of us do not realise what the cops see on the road in the course of their duty. I remeber a few years ago at a party I got into a chinwag with an officer who was telling me the sort of issues they have to deal with at accident sites. While the blood and guts is bad enough it is the injured that use to give this guy the shits. That and the relaitives girl/boyfriend, husband/wives and the children: both the dead and the living, not to mention a host of other shit that we do not see as we drive past an accident scene. Sometimes we need to stepback a bit and just wonder what it would be like out there without them.


Skyryder

I don't think the dig is at the Police, but the LTSA and their policies/evidence.

[Skyryder]

Yeah, I like the idea
However:-
Scenario - see incident, stop on side of road, take off gloves, remove helmet, dial *555, damn what was that plate number

Now that is not a silly idea. However when you ring *555 your phone number is recorded so make sure you know the number before dialling.

Skyryder

[Deano]

Now that is not a silly idea. However when you ring *555 your phone number is recorded so make sure you know the number before dialling.

Skyryder

I got asked my name, address and phone number when I rang the other day (had a gutsful of being cut off with little or no indication into my 2 sec buffer )

Thankfully I didn't get asked to go to the station to make a written complaint.

[Yamahamaman]

Now that is not a silly idea. However when you ring *555 your phone number is recorded so make sure you know the number before dialling.

Skyryder

What part of the idea do you like.
(1) Stopping on the side of the road to use a Cell Phone,
(2) or reporting an incident using *555.

In case it was not evident, for a motorcyclist to report an incident using *555 one has to stop and remove helmet and gloves. Pitty really that tin-top users are not also similarly restricted - could save some lives.

It's amazing what you see splitting on the NW. People in tin-tops studying their latest snaps, texting their friends, applying makeup, anything but paying attention to that which is in front of them.
SCARY STUFF.

[spudchucka]

I think incompetence contributes to more accidents than speed. I recall reading in here that something like 12% of road deaths (or accidents are caused by speed), or should that be more accuratley put, speed CONTRIBUTED to the accident, implying that the driver was not able to safely drive his vehicle at that speed.

You are of course correct, incompetence and a complete disregard of the road rules is what causes many accidents. If everyone obeyed the road rules and stayed on their own side of the road there would be few or no crashes. The one LTSA ad of late I thought was any good was the intersection "don't worry be happy" one.

Speed itself may not cause the accidents, (in some cases it does) but it is an aggravating factor of all crashes that contributes to the total damage done as a result of an accident. I fail to see how anyone can deny this.

As for hidden speed cameras, even I'll agree that this stinks of revenue gathering almost as if it were a type of "toll" to use the road.

I can't say what motivates the LTSA but police see all to often the end result of road crashes. This is what motivates cops, not revenue or quotas but the possability that they might save a life.

[James Deuce]

I got asked my name, address and phone number when I rang the other day (had a gutsful of being cut off with little or no indication into my 2 sec buffer )

Thankfully I didn't get asked to go to the station to make a written complaint.

They'll post the forms out. The wife and I have taken to ringing *555 for every little everything that puts us in danger. Including travelling too slowly. Its our little way of fighting back and it would be grand if everyone did it.