Bike thieves caught in the act...

**ManDownUnder** · 14th June 2006, 14:03

Originally Posted by Deano

The thief was in the wrong, THEN proceeded to try to assualt the owner when confronted, yet you believe the VICTIM went too far...

The thief bit off more than he could chew and paid the price. Consequences.

Thats' my point.

So might is right?

Nice point - he was lucky another one of the bad guys didn't have a gun - would that still be rough justice?

Nup - the guy broke the other guys arm unnecissarily, for personal gain (pleasure)... he's scum.

Put the shoe on the other fot. What if the bad guy got the bike owner in that hold, had him pinned while the other guys tooks the bike, then as a parting gift broke his arm? Would might still be right - or would it be even more wrong?

Originally Posted by Deano

(As an aside - did you feel the guy on tv being pepper sprayed while in cuffs was deserved, or did the cops go too far ?)

I saw it on the shorts, it appeared to be sensationalist viewing and I missed it (seriously). I don't have all the facts so how can I form a reasoned opinion?

Originally Posted by Deano

The thief instigated the whole thing by trying to steal the bike.

No - he instigated a reaction - a defense where some guy wanted to stop the low lifes from nicking his property. He'd done that - had the guy powerless, and all he had to do was wait for them police.

Did he? No... he smiled, laughed because he knew he was about to really hurt this guy - then proceeded to do it.

The dude's a cock smoker. no question

Originally Posted by Deano

It's called rough justice and the Police do it.

Didn't they condone it in this case...

The Police did condone it - yes. Does that make it right?

**Karma** · 14th June 2006, 14:27

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

the guy broke the other guys arm unnecissarily, for personal gain (pleasure)... he's scum.

Put the shoe on the other fot. What if the bad guy got the bike owner in that hold, had him pinned while the other guys tooks the bike, then as a parting gift broke his arm? Would might still be right - or would it be even more wrong?

Surely this is a key point?

Do you believe the theif would have had any thought of stopping? I doubt it.

A wise man once said, good will never triumph over evil, because good plays by rules that evil doesn't recognise.

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

**ManDownUnder** · 14th June 2006, 14:38

Originally Posted by Weasel

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

Tis a good point, but getting done by the Police and Courts shoudl have the same effect (note - I said SHOULD... not WILL... necessarily)

**onearmedbandit** · 14th June 2006, 15:25

Originally Posted by Weasel

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

Excellent point.

**Deano** · 14th June 2006, 15:38

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Put the shoe on the other fot. What if the bad guy got the bike owner in that hold, had him pinned while the other guys tooks the bike, then as a parting gift broke his arm? Would might still be right - or would it be even more wrong?

What if he hadn't broken his arm, and the guy got out of the armbar and then beat the victim to death ?

Always plenty of what ifs.

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

I saw it on the shorts, it appeared to be sensationalist viewing and I missed it (seriously). I don't have all the facts so how can I form a reasoned opinion?

How often does anyone in here have ALL the facts ? Doesn't stop a good debate on what information is available though.

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

The Police did condone it - yes. Does that make it right?

According to a lot of people it seems that it does.

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

No - he instigated a reaction - a defense where some guy wanted to stop the low lifes from nicking his property. He'd done that - had the guy powerless, and all he had to do was wait for them police.

Did he? No... he smiled, laughed because he knew he was about to really hurt this guy - then proceeded to do it.

Is this any different to saying the thieves were caught red handed - all they had to do was admit defeat and wait for the Police to arrive, but no, even though they knew assaulting the owner was going to hurt (as if stealing his bike wasn't going to rip his undies enough), they proceeded to do it (attempt it anyway).

Yes, perhaps he has stooped to their level but they were the instigators in the whole matter and so I reckon deserve what they got.

**Jonathan** · 14th June 2006, 15:39

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

On the other hand, maybe next time they will make sure they are better armed!

**Deano** · 14th June 2006, 15:41

Originally Posted by Weasel

Perhaps, just perhaps, these guys will think twice before pulling a stunt again, and if so, then this violence has served a greater good.

Hopefully the thieves don't return with a molitov as paybacks.

**insane1** · 14th June 2006, 15:46

anyone who tries to steal bikes should be shot or at least have his legs busted.

**Biff** · 14th June 2006, 15:48

LMAO - brilliant. Would have loved to have seen that happen.

A story from the Biffarchives....

Many a moon ago (15 years maybe), late at night, I'm walking from one place to another and I turn a corner to see a guy rummaging through the glove box of a parked up car. I would have thought nothing of it had he not frozen on the spot, then bolted, with what was obviously a car stereo just about visible under his jacket. I hesitate, notice that the quarter light on the car has been smashed and a gapping hole in the car's dashboard - so I begin chasing after this dude. There was a time when I could run the 100 metres in under 11 seconds (10.89), so it wasn't too long before I caught up with this guy. I ankle tapped the oxygen waster and he went flying along the pavement – horizontally, and the car stereo fell out of his jacket.

I picked up the stereo and asked him where he got it from (the questions you ask when in a mucking fuddle), to which he said some rather rude words, and I took offence. So I swung my leg at this guy, who was by know sitting up looking at me. I didn't connect below the shoulders. He fell into a heap, motionless.

I jog off in a semi-panic, find a pay pone and call the 5-0, telling them everything except my name.

I watched the newspapers for days afterwards, wondering if the guy was ok. Nothing heard.

Thieves are scum. End of story.

I probably wouldn’t chase him today though. I’ve got an air of ‘I really can’t be arsed’ about me these days. I blame the government. Or car drivers. Or cops.

Edit: To those guys that think the good guy used excessive force - in the eyes of the law, probably. In a society where a 'common-sense' legal system was in force, nope. IMO If you're thieving scum you should be under no illusion that if you're caught, there is a chance you're going to get your arse kicked. Because you decided to become...Scum.

I tend to have no sympathy whatsoever for real criminals (primarily thieves, murderers, kiddie fiddlers and rapists). They're scum. IMO they forfeit any right to receive compassion and fair treatment from a society from which they choose to prey on.

Have I said 'Scum' enough?

**timorang** · 14th June 2006, 15:49

Occassionally, just occassionally, scum get what they deserve.......

This fine upstanding member of the infamous 18th Street LA gang
decided one day that he would try to car-jack a semi truck at gun
point .... The gangster jumped up on the driver side, while the truck
was in motion, and stuck a gun in the drivers face.

The only problem was that the truck driver opened up the door and
knocked the attempted Thief off. He lost his balance and fell under
the wheels of the truck. At which time the driver slammed on his
brakes, resting on top of him and decided that this was the perfect
time to whip out his Fuji Disposable camera....

There was a third picture after the truck was moved off him - not nice.

**Toast** · 14th June 2006, 15:58

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Nup - the guy broke the other guys arm unnecissarily, for personal gain (pleasure)... he's scum.

I actually doubt that's even the case...he wrote the story as if he was in control the whole time, but I reckon he'd have been shitting himself. Just a threatened animal whose self preservation instincts have taken over.

He's American, ofcourse he tries to add a dose of emotion in there to make it sound better...it works at the box office.

I doubt reason came in to it. It would've been more survival reactions.

I don't believe in might being right...I don't believe in harm to natural things if it can be avoided...but really, the prick tried to steal something, then started a fight, and he got burned...there are greater injustices in the world to worry about.

**Toast** · 14th June 2006, 15:59

Originally Posted by timorang

There was a third picture after the truck was moved off him - not nice.

Saw it before you edited it...

Not nice at all

**Biff** · 14th June 2006, 16:27

Originally Posted by timorang

Occassionally, just occassionally, scum get what they deserve.......

Shit!!

And he's got a nose bleed.

**The_Dover** · 14th June 2006, 16:29

They shouldn't have bothered with the cops, just caught the guys and hogtied them.

And then rented their thieving arses out to a bunch of AIDS ridden deviant homosexuals, from Texas maybe.

A long slow sentence to think about the error of their ways. Imagine even wanting to steal a Yamaha, it's fucking embarassing.