Could the lack of discipline be the problem?

[Lou Girardin]

Mod's, please ban Mr Girardin from this site as I find his reference to incest offensive.

Just cos I come from an island with a population of 20,000 you racist bastard.

All with the same surname?

[Lou Girardin]

Nope, still here and you didn't even call to find out. Heartless prick.

You missed the comma.

[Finn]

You missed the coma.

Now you're just being nasty.

[Paul in NZ]

Funny thing isn't it.....

We bemoan the fact the the children don't 'behave' and that society possibly suffers from a lack of discipline and yet... We get on the internet and behave like utter louts and thats OK because it's just the internet....

Hmmm....

In my uneducated opinion, there are 2 things a decent society requires.

One is a basic value of manners and courtesy and the second is an solid lower middle class with upward aspirations. People who have nothing of value and who are never likely to earn enough $$ to obtain anything of value, value nothing.... If these same people do value manners, then we are in trouble.

Ms Clarke and co are dangerous because they espouse the non traditional family unit without providing a stable alternative. Both partners having a career is just a selfish nonsense that leaves the children floundering and yet if you try to be a good parent, you will never survive old age.

Like it or not, it's the age of me first.....

Personally, I don't think society as a whole (or as we know it) will survive it without a transformation and I'm not sure it will be for the best.

Oh well.... I'm old already

[chris]

Umm sorry you have completely lost me. Bearing in mind that collections have nothing to do with "major" crimes like murders, rapes etc...

You said "The courts dont "fine" anyone" and I asked "So if a judge issues a fine when a person is found guilty of an appropriate fine (meant to say crime), he/she (as in the judge) actually doesn't?

[Winston001]

You said "The courts dont "fine" anyone" and I asked "So if a judge issues a fine when a person is found guilty of an appropriate fine (meant to say crime), he/she (as in the judge) actually doesn't?

Not exactly. Fines are imposed by numerous law enforcement authorities. Mostly by the traffic police for young men. But the Courts impose fines on more serious charges.

Just because a fine exists, doesn't mean the offender will pay it.

[chris]

Not exactly. Fines are imposed by numerous law enforcement authorities. Mostly by the traffic police for young men. But the Courts impose fines on more serious charges.

Just because a fine exists, doesn't mean the offender will pay it.

So as I thought, the courts and judges can impose fines. It's just that this "The courts dont "fine" anyone" confused me.

[James Deuce]

If you re-read my first post I clearly stated, on its own seperate line:

Sorry, my mistake. I thought parents were part of society. Wrong again.

[Squeak the Rat]

snip......Ms Clarke and co are dangerous because they espouse the non traditional family unit without providing a stable alternative. Both partners having a career is just a selfish nonsense that leaves the children floundering and yet if you try to be a good parent, you will never survive old age......snip

I agree. I don't have kids, and am not sure I can afford to as I think kids should be brought up by their parents until a certain age (around 5). That means mum (yes my personal opinion is that Mum is usually the best option) not working and staying home.

My mum stayed at home until I was of school age. I hate to think what it must be like for kids these days to be packed off to day care at 2 years old.

How many parents these days willingly [Edit: can & do] stay home to look after the kids and not draw a benefit?

[Winston001]

One of the things I have a problem with is the example set by our "leaders"

Every time the govt make a screw up (very frequently) it turns out that no one is to blame. People learn from the example and apply it to their own situation.

Hey if the PM can commit fraud, why can't I?

If those in parliament openly flout the law (and many do) why shouldn't I?

Agreed. The stolid blank-faced response by Helen Clark to the motorcade fiasco appalled me.

Here we had the Prime Minister of New Zealand directly involved with a ludicrous, prolonged, and dangerous driving episode. Why? All in order to catch a plane to go to a rugby match.

If she had any integrity she would have taken responsibility for her police escort. There was no risk to her at all.

So we are left with the impression that the Prime Minister thinks it is ok to break traffic laws, and to blame her employees if there is any trouble.

Utterly contemptuous.

[yungatart]

You need a licence to drive a car, ride a motorbike or own a dog in Nz ie - you need to prove some sort of proficiency, suitability before you can do those things. However any two bit moron can breed kids, have them removed from their care because they are unfit to do the job, then, BUGGER ME, we will pay them to have more!! Go figure??
We get criticised for allowing our son (aged 15) to go to the pub - he plays in a band -we go with him, he doesn't drink. This from people who let their similar aged kids go to unsupervised parties, complete with copious amounts of alcohol and Lord knows what kind of drugs, party pills and rampant sex - but we are seen as the irresponsible ones.
Too many kids grow up with no values, no morals, no boundaries and no respect for themselves or others. How you change that I don't know - unless it's by introducing a certificate of worthiness/licence or compulsory parenting school...

[The Stranger:Me]

How you change that I don't know - unless it's by introducing a certificate of worthiness/licence or compulsory parenting school...

Hell no! can you imagine the f&$k ups if the govt ran the parenting school.

[Squeak the Rat]

What I'm afraid might happen is that the people who actually realise there are issues here are the types who are deciding not to have kids, therefore reducing the percentage of kids that are bought up with decent values....

[Paul in NZ]

What I'm afraid might happen is that the people who actually realise there are issues here are the types who are deciding not to have kids, therefore reducing the percentage of kids that are bought up with decent values....

um.... 'might happen' you say.... Hmmmm to late methinks

[Motu]

How many parents these days willingly [Edit: can & do] stay home to look after the kids and not draw a benefit?

We have been a single income family for 25 years,our four children were born at home and all schooled at home too - it's not easy ( no new bikes for me,no holidays either for that matter).To us the most important thing is the mother stays at home and cares for her children,teaching them right into adulthood.It doesn't need to be said that we have a strong bond in our family.We are tree hugging hippies from waaaaay back - I object to anyone calling this government tree hugging hippies,they are a long way from it...as far as I'm concerned further out to the right than National.You don't get much further left than me...