BMW in MotoGP...it's real!

**Titanium** · 15th June 2006, 19:08

Pics of their bike already posted here, and no it is not a shaft drive.....

the K1200 s & r were the launch pad in to Moto GP, soon to be an HP4 version of K1200S.

Front "suspension" looks to be a sort of combination for telelever and fork?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...t=29919&page=6

Shit my BMW is such a crap ride.......

**Titanium** · 15th June 2006, 19:10

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yeah and their race bike will have the telelever front end, ABS and shaft drive.
Cause they'll all such a shit hot idea on a motorcycle!
NOT.

Same old whinge..... sounds like a wannabe owner.....

**Burger** · 15th June 2006, 19:11

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Shaft drive for tourers used to have me believing.....but then I chatted with a customer who's done over 80,000km's on the ORIGINAL chain and sprockets on his 900 Trophy. A properly adjusted Scott Oiler.....end of need for the weight and torque affects of shaft.
ABS? Belongs on a car. More likely to kill you on a bike.
Forks/front ends?
Alternative front ends have been round for years, and while in theory they read better on paper ....no-one has yet bettered the telescopic fork for use on a sports bike.
They (the race engineers for the 'Big Four') would love to be the first to use something that gave them the edge on a race track, but it's yet to happen.
I'm not anti change/new technology, fuck, I've been in the motorcycle industry for 20 odd years and have seen some amazing andvances (thank fuck!)....
But for now we're stuck with the good old telescopic fork!

I was meaning that innovation is good. It seems like BMW are much more willing to raise the bar in terms of innovation (and run with it) than major japanese manufacturers. Of course not every idea is going to be a good one, and they cannot be credited with everything (ABS was first on a Mercedes and the Tele/Duolever is neither their invention).

I'm not convinced about ABS being terrible on a bike. I'm not convinced that the Telelever front suspension is a bad idea (it has significant advantages from what I've read) and hasn't the torque problem with solved with BMW's paralever ?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 15th June 2006, 19:27

Originally Posted by Titanium

Same old whinge..... sounds like a wannabe owner.....

Mate.....I've had 50 odd motorcycles in the time I've been riding.
None have worn the 'Flying Propeller'.
This is DESPITE the fact that I've worked in two Beemer dealerships.
In fact....that's WHY I've never (and never would) own one.
I drive a lovely old 7 series Beemer, and I think they make great cars.
I also think they should stick to making them.

I have found over the years I've spent in bike shops, that Beemer riders feel the need to justify their choice of bikes more than others.
I spose if I spent way too much on an inferior product, I'd probably do likewise.
No one likes to admit they've been touched right?

**Sensei** · 15th June 2006, 19:27

You cann't say anything but Fuck YEA !!!

**Smokin** · 15th June 2006, 19:33

Now that is nice.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 15th June 2006, 19:38

Originally Posted by Burger

I was meaning that innovation is good. It seems like BMW are much more willing to raise the bar in terms of innovation (and run with it) than major japanese manufacturers.
I'm not convinced about ABS being terrible on a bike. I'm not convinced that the Telelever front suspension is a bad idea (it has significant advantages from what I've read) and hasn't the torque problem with solved with BMW's paralever ?

Yeah it is.
And yes BMW dare to be different.
But generally only because that's what they use as their selling points because they can't compete 'head to head' with their opposition.

ABS will save a lot of crashes for sure. You know the ones....braking on slippery shit you didn't see...etc etc.

But it'll KILL you on a bike when Farmer Joe pulls out of his paddock on his tractor and trailer, hogging both lanes of a country road.

ABS will activate, and you'll ride all the way into his lovely contraption if the required stopping distance is not long enough.

I for one would rather lock the front or back wheel and put it down.

Maybe I'll still slam into it.
Maybe I won't.

But on a bike with ABS?
YOU WILL.

**nudemetalz** · 15th June 2006, 19:41

Agree with Sensei, does look great alright, despite having shaft-drive, telelever, maybe ABS and all of those "horrid" things...:slap:

**Crasherfromwayback** · 15th June 2006, 19:41

Originally Posted by Sensei

You cann't say anything but Fuck YEA !!!

I can say "Fuck Yeah"....cause that's one sexy motorcycle.
But I can also say, I bet it does similar lap times to a properly 'set up' 600 race bike.
My point exactly.

**Titanium** · 15th June 2006, 19:45

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Yeah it is.
And yes BMW dare to be different.
But generally only because that's what they use as their selling points because they can't compete 'head to head' with their opposition.

ABS will save a lot of crashes for sure. You know the ones....braking on slippery shit you didn't see...etc etc.

But it'll KILL you on a bike when Farmer Joe pulls out of his paddock on his tractor and trailer, hogging both lanes of a country road.

ABS will activate, and you'll ride all the way into his lovely contraption if the required stopping distance is not long enough.

I for one would rather lock the front or back wheel and put it down.

Maybe I'll still slam into it.
Maybe I won't.

But on a bike with ABS?
YOU WILL.

ABS will allow you to turn brother.... just like a car......

works round the hair pin at pukekohe.......

Also the servo assist front and rear is a dream..... nice brake balance when front and rear activated are activated from just the front lever.

Still not sure whether YOU have actually ridden a BMW though.

Shit I worked at an airport once....... did not mean I flew the planes....

**Crasherfromwayback** · 15th June 2006, 19:55

Originally Posted by Titanium

ABS will allow you to turn brother.... just like a car......

works round the hair pin at pukekohe.......

Also the servo assist front and rear is a dream..... nice brake balance when front and rear activated are activated from just the front lever.

Still not sure whether YOU have actually ridden a BMW though.

Shit I worked at an airport once....... did not mean I flew the planes....

I wouldn't mind betting I've ridden an 883 Harley round Puke faster than your servo assisted pile of poo.
And no mate.....when your life flashes before you, and there's not enough stopping distance between you and an immovable object, you'll not be turning round it, you'll be wearing it.

I've ridden just about every BMW motorcyle built in the last 20 years.
Not just put their tank bags on or filled them with fuel for others to use.

**UrbanMyth** · 15th June 2006, 19:56

second time you haqve busted that out sensie bloody nice example though.

**Sensei** · 15th June 2006, 20:01

Just think it is the meanest looking & with 195+ RWHP it has to be fun even if a 600cc bike may beable to beat it round a track .

**Titanium** · 15th June 2006, 20:24

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

I wouldn't mind betting I've ridden an 883 Harley round Puke faster than your servo assisted pile of poo.
And no mate.....when your life flashes before you, and there's not enough stopping distance between you and an immovable object, you'll not be turning round it, you'll be wearing it.

I've ridden just about every BMW motorcyle built in the last 20 years.
Not just put their tank bags on or filled them with fuel for others to use.

na na na na na ...... my bike is faster than yours....... yawn......