Man I've been had!!

[imdying]

Consumers website says only chance would be Disputes. Need to be a business I think for anything else to apply. The consumer site actually says re private sale "if the motor blows up when you drive it home you'll be very lucky to see your money".

Yep, not denying that in that situation, you'd be screwed. This mans situation is not the same as that though.

As I understand it, the seller has told him 'the motor has been rebuilt'. If in fact it hasn't, then he has a right to reimbursement. If it has been rebuilt shodily, he again has not.

He needs to open the motor, and see if the parts have been replaced. If they haven't (i.e. no rebuild has occurred), he has a right to reimbursement. If they have, but the rebuilder was a monkey, then that's bad luck.

It really depends on what the seller said of course... if he said it was professionally rebuilt, then that's what the buyer can rightfully expect. If he said it was simply rebuilt, then that's no indication of the quality of the rebuild, and thus no reimbursement is coming to him.

We're of course talking fine points here, but in the end, it's those fine points that the disputes tribunal adjudicator will take into account.


Now taking all that into account, and assuming the seller has said it was simply rebuilt, and assuming that parts actually were replaced (which the receipts would indicate), then our man is screwed.

The only circumstances under which I'm suggesting our man has a legitimate claim in the disputes tribunal is where the motor clearly hasn't been 'rebuilt' (as the seller said), and I'm guessing he can only prove that by proving that the motor parts hadn't in fact been replaced.

Lou, as a businessman, you would be best contact your lawyer regarding the finer points of the law. I can however give you the same phone number that I used to ring the Disputes Tribunal section of the Department of Courts here in Christchurch earilier this afternoon, as I'm sure you will have further questions, and they will be better equiped to answer them than I.

[Colapop]

What surprises me in this thread is that nobody has offered to help this poor bugger out - with mechanical knowledge. I'd think it could be a good learning excercise (once he finds out about options for recourse) to rebuild the engine possibly?

[Motig]

Yes your right. I'll fly up tomorrow.

[geoffm]

My experience with the Disputes Tribunal is you are out of luck. Even if you win, you have to collect - and if you could get the money you wouldn't be there anyway.
Best bet - whip the exhausts off, and look up the ports - are the pistons scored? Take the barrels off and inspect and measure up the barrels and pistons. This should be an hour or 2, and will let you know where you stand, and if you have to replace bits.
Tony B does good quality piston kits for a good price. You may just need new rings, rather than pistons and a rebore, etc. New pistons, bore and gasket set should be around $500 for parts to do both barrels.
You should be able to get an aftermarket head gasket kit which will be less than a genuine one. Bodgers can reuse the old one....
Are the powervalves opening when they should? Do they cycle on startup? They can make the 2 strokes do funny things.
Geoff

[WINJA]

so you bought a shite bike and paid prolly fuk all, whats the story here , just expect the worst from people

[The Pastor]

If you were wronged, go to the courts, as a matter of prince-a-pal (hehe phonectic spelling..) but, if you want money ring "rent a bro" tell them your problem... they will sort it out no worries.

[Mr. Peanut]

Bah, I bought my NSR with a shafted crank.

Only $2000 for a full engine rebuild. It's not a big deal and you'll forget all about it as soon as you wind it up again

[willy_01]

some interesting replies, cheers guys. well the bike was cheap and if it was going to cost anything like 2K to fix id just blow it up or something fun like that and kill it.
Im over it now was really pissed off at the time, realise now these things happen, still life goes on.
Well spent the arvo pulling the engine out, pretty easy actually. I just want to know if anyone here knows the difference between a rd piston and a rz one, the parts invoice says rd piston kits, this is from MACH 1 Yamaha New Plymouth so im guessing there cant be very much difference at all. Anyway ill start pulling the engine apart tonight, if there are any bored technically skilled people in NP tonight, come round, beers on me haha.

Cheers guys
sam

[Kickaha]

I just want to know if anyone here knows the difference between a rd piston and a rz one, the parts invoice says rd piston kits,

The RZ was still called a RD in most other markets, does it give the part number?

[F5 Dave]

If the dude has got the money (for, lets say a legit bike) & spent it, if only mentally then he's not going to want to go back on the deal.

All this Americanism take ‘em to court stuff aside,



What fools many with 2 strokes; to get a compression measurement you have to open the throttle full (which you knew) & kick as fast as you can until the gauge stops moving, maybe a dozen times. If you didn't do this the results wil be way low.

But yeah so this guy knows how to rebuild an engine but doesn’t bother to hook the power valves up when he is going to sell it. Hmmm.

Check the power valve operates correctly. Should clean at the start (opens for kickover then closes as it starts/idle) then opens at 4-500rpm.

That aside new plugs, caps, clean/replace airfilter & check carb jets if some clown has been fiddling there (google specs). Exhausts need to be decarboned. Any of these things will make it run ropey.

If you have it apart & you might as well if the comp is still low, remove a ring & check the ring endgap at the top of the bore & measure with a feeler gauge. If it’s like .7mm it is well gone & not new parts. Again google the spec.

Think I may have a pv controller & cdi, maybe a coil lying around somewhere.