ridiculous hospital waiting lists

**jase** · 22nd June 2006, 21:01

Originally Posted by WINJA

SO HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT PEOPLE FROM SAMOA AND TONGA NOT PAYING TAXES HERE COMING HERE GETTIN OPERATIONS AND GOING BACK TO THEIR ISLAND PARADISE AND WE FOOT THE BILL , MURDEROUS PERHAPS?

Totally pisses me off.

**Big Dave** · 22nd June 2006, 21:48

The root of the problem is:
Insufficient govenment funding and hospitals managed by accountants.

Nothing wrong with the standards of care professionally - same as OZ - they have a combined college of surgeons - the govt just doesn't give enough $ to fund the health service and the bean counters have now 'audited' pain. That is why co-pilot left and won't go back to public health. She wouldn't apply the money based triage.

Remember when the Matron ran the hospital - now it's a business manager - with possibly no clinical acumen at all.

Private insurance is mandadtory for over 26ers now. Thaz the fax jack because for once I agree with the doomsayers - it's a right royal fuck up Arthur.

And that's not even starting on the asshole orthapedic surgeons with the god complex.

**Motu** · 22nd June 2006, 21:58

Originally Posted by WINJA

SOME ARE SOME ARENT , THATS A BIT OF A GENERALIZATION ISNT IT?
SEEN SOME PRETTY AT DISGUSTING TRASHY LAZY FILTHY WHITE PEOPLE AS WELL.
SOME OF THOSE EDUCATED SECOND GENERATION ISLANDERS ARE JUST REGULAR KIWIS

All the ones I see at my work are.The ONLY people who owe me money are Islanders.And yet 20 yrs ago when I ran a workshop in Mangere they all paid up front with cash.

**WINJA** · 22nd June 2006, 22:01

Originally Posted by Big Dave

The root of the problem is:
Insufficient govenment funding and hospitals managed by accountants.

Nothing wrong with the standards of care professionally - same as OZ - they have a combined college of surgeons - the govt just doesn't give enough $ to fund the health service and the bean counters have now 'audited' pain. That is why co-pilot left and won't go back to public health. She wouldn't apply the money based triage.

Remember when the Matron ran the hospital - now it's a business manager - with possibly no clinical acumen at all.

Private insurance is mandadtory for over 26ers now. Thaz the fax jack because for once I agree with the doomsayers - it's a right royal fuck up Arthur.

And that's not even starting on the asshole orthapedic surgeons with the god complex.

IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF 'NOTHING WRNG WITH THE STANDARD OF CARE PROFESSIONALLY' THEN 'AND THATS NOT STARTING ON THE ASSHOLE ORTHOPEDIC SURGEONS' .
WHERES OUR MONEY GONE ? ITS FINANCEING FOREIGN NOT TAXPAYERS SURGERY AND PACIFIC ISLAND CONSOLODTED FUNDS WHICH IS ONE OF MY POINTS.
OUR COUNTRY HAS LOTSA MONEY ITS JUST BEEN POORLY SPENT
BTW I THINK A LOT OF OUR DOCTORS, GPS AND SURGEONS ARE FUCKEN USELESS, ITS HARD TO EVEN FIND A GP THAT DOES GOOD JOB THESE DAYS.

**Big Dave** · 22nd June 2006, 22:23

Originally Posted by WINJA

IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF 'NOTHING WRNG WITH THE STANDARD OF CARE PROFESSIONALLY' THEN 'AND THATS NOT STARTING ON THE ASSHOLE ORTHOPEDIC SURGEONS' .
WHERES OUR MONEY GONE ? ITS FINANCEING FOREIGN NOT TAXPAYERS SURGERY AND PACIFIC ISLAND CONSOLODTED FUNDS WHICH IS ONE OF MY POINTS.
OUR COUNTRY HAS LOTSA MONEY ITS JUST BEEN POORLY SPENT
BTW I THINK A LOT OF OUR DOCTORS, GPS AND SURGEONS ARE FUCKEN USELESS, ITS HARD TO EVEN FIND A GP THAT DOES GOOD JOB THESE DAYS.

I meant the standard of their training and quality of surgical proceedures is as good as anywhere - if you can deal with the (occasional) asshole offering it and can get to see them in the first place.

Apart from that it's just down to lack of funding. and your point on where they spend it. 'taxpayers' would make me happier too - but then you start putting a $ on humanitarian values - which is part of the argument to begin with.

The aus system of Medicare - 1.5% tax levy works really well. (compared to here)

**Ixion** · 22nd June 2006, 22:38

Originally Posted by Big Dave

,,The aus system of Medicare - 1.5% tax levy works really well. (compared to here)

We used to have exactly such a system here. One shilling and sixpence in every pound. Worked well. Until the Treasury thieves got there hands on it and it sunk into the Consolidated Fund, never to be seen again. Just like the fuel tax, originally to pay for roading. And when we had elected Roads Boards (who remembers them ? they did a damn good job) it did just that.

**Big Dave** · 22nd June 2006, 22:48

Originally Posted by Ixion

We used to have exactly such a system here. One shilling and sixpence in every pound. Worked well. Until the Treasury thieves got there hands on it and it sunk into the Consolidated Fund, never to be seen again. Just like the fuel tax, originally to pay for roading. And when we had elected Roads Boards (who remembers them ? they did a damn good job) it did just that.

fix it till it breaks huh?

**Crazy Steve** · 22nd June 2006, 23:13

Get over it.....

Crazy Steve...

**Motu** · 22nd June 2006, 23:50

Originally Posted by Big Dave

fix it till it breaks huh?

Muldoonism - what us old farts used to complain about until Helen came along.

**Flatcap** · 23rd June 2006, 08:36

Originally Posted by Motu

Muldoonism - what us old farts used to complain about until Helen came along.

At least Muldoon was better looking

**Swoop** · 23rd June 2006, 08:48

Originally Posted by Fairlie

At least Muldoon was better looking

Nope, they came out of the same mould - just that uncle helen chose some hair to put on top.

**magicfairy** · 23rd June 2006, 09:04

My 2 cents

1 ACC = doctors no longer can be sued for personal injury in NZ = major stuff ups being covered up and poorly compensated for by ACC. If doctors and hospitals could be sued for millions they would take more care.

2 If money spent on health insurance could be claimed back in taxes then more individuals / businesses would purchase it, and leave the public system to take care of those that cannot afford it. And we would have a larger private system offering more services.

Our politicians need to take a long hard look at why we have a 3rd World Health system and what we are doing differently than other countries to lead to this situation. And the cost of not treating people in ACC payments, Sickness Benefits and lost productivity as well as the human cost.

(I'm a former nurse so I have seen the rot from the inside..)