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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil
    answer me this, do you think their would be as many resourses poured into the apparent "road safety inititives" if there was no money involved in ticketing? I could answer that for myself but would be interested in your view.
    (Quasi fix the quote or he might not read this....)


    Compulsory breath testing - any time any where.

    I've been stopped once in the last 17 years of driving / riding. And I've been everywhere everytime.....

    Yet I saw 8 HP cars between Miranda and Bombay yesterday (about 40kph of really busy road, most of it dble yellow lines). Speeding is evidently more dangerous than drink driving....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil
    Yes I also know that alot of general duties cops are a bit pissed with the flashy HP guys with the flash gear and nicer cars.

    answer me this, do you think their would be as many resourses poured into the apparent "road safety inititives" if there was no money involved in ticketing? I could answer that for myself but would be interested in your view.
    A couple of points:
    A lot of cops join HP because it takes a lot of pressure off them, compared to general duties it is seen as cruisier as you have less shift work, more flexible working hours/places, don't go on call, get decent gear etc etc (at least down here) - all for the same money as GD.

    I give out a lot of warning AND almost half of my tickets are compliance ones - and nobody from above has ever complained about THAT, despite the fact it actually costs the Gov't money (cost of my time, cost of ticket, lack of revenue gathered etc.)

    But you never here anybody on this site saying "Thank you Officer Scumdog for warning me/giving me compliance" etc, maybe only disgruntled people have time/inclination to post?

    Observation: 'Nice' members of society do show pleasant surprise at getting a 'compliance' ticket, - low lifes expect/demand it for EVERYTHING and whinge like a KBer when they don't get it. "I'm going to the station to see your boss about this" - 'Go for it sunshine' is the usual response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    But you never here anybody on this site saying "Thank you Officer Scumdog for warning me/giving me compliance" etc, maybe only disgruntled people have time/inclination to post?

    Observation: 'Nice' members of society do show pleasant surprise at getting a 'compliance' ticket, - low lifes expect/demand it for EVERYTHING and whinge like a KBer when they don't get it. "I'm going to the station to see your boss about this" - 'Go for it sunshine' is the usual response.
    If I say "Thanks Officer Scumdog" to the next officer that pulls me over, can I claim mistaken identity as I get pepper sprayed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeak the Rat
    Compulsory breath testing - any time any where.
    In one particularly hideous night, where my brother-in-law was diagnosed with Hodgkins lymphoma, I had to race to the Wairarapa, collect my Mother-in-law, come back to Lower Hutt and collect my Aunty who was on the same flight, and get them both to Wellington Airport for a 4:30am check in. I left at 2:30am.

    On the way back from the Airport to the Hutt to collapse into bed I was stopped at 5 checkpoints. One at the Mt Vic tunnel, one going on to the motorway at Vivian St, one just past the Nauranaga interchange on SH2, one at Petone Bowl, and one at Maungaraki lights.

    At Maungaraki I lost it. I demanded a blood test. They wheeled the bus up from Petone Bowl. I demanded to speak to the area supervisor. There was push and shove, but to the guy's eternal credit, he just kept trying to calm me down. In the US I would have been riddled with holes by now. The guy I was talking to knew a bloke on the verge of going postal when he saw one, so I found myself talking to Rob Robinson - luckily a friend of a friend, and I'd been out to dinner with him once in the dim dark past.

    He talked me down out of my tree. I explained what my night had been like, including getting stuck behind a frigging ex-railways building on the Rimutakas and managing to squeeze past it much to the disgust of the guys moving it. They don't like people driving under one edge of a moving building. It's now the White Swan hotel in Greytown. We don;t give NZ cops enough credit for defusing situations instead of escalating them. I understand the thought behind the blitz & booze bus mentality. I don't agree with the law change that allows Police to detain people without suspicion of commiting a crime. Oddly enough I found out that night that a number of Police personnel don't either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    A couple of points:
    A lot of cops join HP because it takes a lot of pressure off them, compared to general duties it is seen as cruisier as you have less shift work, more flexible working hours/places, don't go on call, get decent gear etc etc (at least down here) - all for the same money as GD.

    I give out a lot of warning AND almost half of my tickets are compliance ones - and nobody from above has ever complained about THAT, despite the fact it actually costs the Gov't money (cost of my time, cost of ticket, lack of revenue gathered etc.)

    But you never here anybody on this site saying "Thank you Officer Scumdog for warning me/giving me compliance" etc, maybe only disgruntled people have time/inclination to post?

    Observation: 'Nice' members of society do show pleasant surprise at getting a 'compliance' ticket, - low lifes expect/demand it for EVERYTHING and whinge like a KBer when they don't get it. "I'm going to the station to see your boss about this" - 'Go for it sunshine' is the usual response.
    Thanks Scumdg (just in case I get stopped down sth in the future)
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    But you never here anybody on this site saying "Thank you Officer Scumdog for warning me/giving me compliance" etc, maybe only disgruntled people have time/inclination to post?
    I'm still no wiser as to how one gets regruntled.
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    I have tremendous respect for the IRD, they are honest about what they do. They are there to take your money, Te Tari Taake. The Police don't have the balls to admit that. Sure, we all know they're driven by LTNZ, but at least they could be honest about it.

    What happened to discretion? Back in the day (the early-mid 90s) I'd stop for 120k and expect to get a telling off. I'd pretend I was sorry, he'd pretend he believed me, and I'd be off on my merry little way thinking shit that was lucky, I'd better be good - which lasted for at least half an hour before I forgot all about it. Now everytime a cop looks at me I put the hammer down. I respond the same for 11 over as I do for 171 over. Why? Because I hate the law? No. Because I don't want to get a speeding ticket? No. Because I'm worried about demerit points? No. Because I'm worried about losing my license? No. $600 and 50 demerits doesn't worry me. 100 demerits in 2 years doesn't worry me. 3 months driving/riding disqualified doesn't worry me.

    I'm shit scared of my insurance company. Since I know that everytime I get pulled over for speeding I WILL get a ticket, and it's now the exception that I won't, I don't want to take the risk of angering the insurance company for piddly little tickets. Might as well give them something real to gripe about. At least I'm honest about that.

    Edit: Difference between pre-anal policing and now is that before I stopped more often, now I don't. It was safer for me and the public pre-anal. Wonder how that's represented in their stats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quasievil
    , so where do they draw the line then you ask?? .
    Somewhere just after those little white circular signs with the red borders that say... "100" or "50" or "70" (or dare I say "30") me thinks.... Road code sed summit about them being maximums????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick
    Somewhere just after those little white circular signs with the red borders that say... "100" or "50" or "70" (or dare I say "30") me thinks.... Road code sed summit about them being maximums????
    No, no, no. I've seen some billboards that say they are targets......

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog
    A couple of points:
    A lot of cops join HP because it takes a lot of pressure off them, compared to general duties it is seen as cruisier as you have less shift work, more flexible working hours/places, don't go on call, get decent gear etc etc (at least down here) - all for the same money as GD.

    I give out a lot of warning AND almost half of my tickets are compliance ones - and nobody from above has ever complained about THAT, despite the fact it actually costs the Gov't money (cost of my time, cost of ticket, lack of revenue gathered etc.)

    But you never here anybody on this site saying "Thank you Officer Scumdog for warning me/giving me compliance" etc, maybe only disgruntled people have time/inclination to post?

    Observation: 'Nice' members of society do show pleasant surprise at getting a 'compliance' ticket, - low lifes expect/demand it for EVERYTHING and whinge like a KBer when they don't get it. "I'm going to the station to see your boss about this" - 'Go for it sunshine' is the usual response.
    Jeezus Scummy... you sure we aren't twins???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeak the Rat
    (Quasi fix the quote or he might not read this....)


    Compulsory breath testing - any time any where.

    I've been stopped once in the last 17 years of driving / riding. And I've been everywhere everytime.....

    Yet I saw 8 HP cars between Miranda and Bombay yesterday (about 40kph of really busy road, most of it dble yellow lines). Speeding is evidently more dangerous than drink driving....
    Couldn't help but wonder if they were there for the yellow lines, not speed?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by madboy
    What happened to discretion? Back in the day (the early-mid 90s) I'd stop for 120k and expect to get a telling off. I'd pretend I was sorry, he'd pretend he believed me, and I'd be off on my merry little way thinking shit that was lucky, I'd better be good - which lasted for at least half an hour before I forgot all about it.
    You've summed it up yourself... warnings don't woprk, or so we have been told... are the bosses right, perhaps??????? If unsure, read above again....

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    Quote Originally Posted by madboy
    Edit: Difference between pre-anal policing and now is that before I stopped more often, now I don't. It was safer for me and the public pre-anal. Wonder how that's represented in their stats?
    Sheesh, who CARES if it is represented? Whatever happens when YOU don't stop is on YOUR head.

    Grow up. (or stop trolling)

    BTW In other countries warning go down against your name on the Big Brother 'puter - so the insurance guys still get to know if you've been riding like a dick - even if it hasn't actually cost you money.
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    They seem to have lost point of the fact that the road toll has mainly dropped because of safer vehicles, things like ABS, crumple zones, air bags and now, vehicle stability control, which is becoming compulsory in Europe - so we should see it here in 15 years time! And generally better roads.
    Also the vehicles handle a lot better than old shitheaps like ford V8 s and stuff - even the bikes - speed is just so much easier these days......
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